216. LATENT SYNASTRY with Thomas Gazi: 💚 Relationship Astrology

Arwynne interviews Thomas Gazi an astrologer from Greece on his specialty topic of latent synastry.

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SPEAKER_01 0:12

Welcome to the Starzoology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Arwen O'Neill, and today I have a special interview with astrologer from Greece, Thomas Guzis, and we're going to be talking uh, this is actually the first of a two-part interview. The first half is about his approach to sinistry and the really interesting uh parallels that he can find in charts in a non-traditional analysis, uh, comparing latent uh aspects, which we will get into. And please make sure to keep an eye out for the second half of the podcast uh interview, which is gonna be about mundane astrology and all of these wars that are happening and the state of the world. So please uh welcome Thomas Gaziz. Hi, Thomas. Thanks so much for joining us on Starzool.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Thank you for inviting me. It's an honor to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Absolutely. Well, please introduce yourself to our listeners and let them know a bit about your your practice and uh what you what you focus on in astrology.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Greek astrologer, and uh with a rather long career, but I'm on to philosophy as a Greek and um various branches of astrology as well, mostly sinistry, mundane, psychological. Anyway, it is astrological, I'm interested in.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Excellent. Well, we would love to hear about your latent sinistry practice. That sounds super interesting, and um outline for us what that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Well, it is um a different approach of interpreting sinistries. I mean, in a conventional uh sinistry, you just look for affinities, right? If I'm a Leo, probably a Sagittarius or an Aries woman is uh the perfect match to me, but it doesn't work this way. I mean, I've seen so many couples that are actually discordant. I mean, you see a Taurus with an Aquarius, you see a cancer with uh Libra, and um you get a headache, you say, how comes this couple uh it's fine and uh they're having a long marriage, but okay, that's not proof of love, but at least these people are together for maybe 30-40 years, something is going on there, right? So, ever since I started my practice um as a sinistry astrologer, uh I had this uh question in my mind how comes life is a Virgo. So uh I always had um this question how comes discordant people are fine together and they are married and probably happily married, although to an intimate relationship, that's a very special thing to say. Couples are there for a reason, karmic purposes, evolution purposes, and happiness is not always there because there is a lot of pain.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Yes, you never know.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Yeah, they have to evolve, and no pain, no gain. You don't evolve unless you you feel the pain. For sure. Yes, so I have studied for a long time, and then I by my practice I developed my own latent sinistry theory, which is rather simple. I wasn't looking for the conventional affinities, but for the so-called archetypal affinities. What I mean, archetypal, is this. I mean, if you are a Sagittarius person, this is Addetokbo, the the Greek uh guy that plays basketball, right? You know, you know him?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Um not really a big basketball person, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

You know the name. Yes, he's a Sagittarius, and he married a lady uh who is um Virgo, but uh she has a Sun Jupiter contraction, and a transaction is producing energy which is uh um similar to uh Sagittarius Sun. So although their solar signs are discordant, they have a huge common energy there, the Sagittarian Jupiterian energy. Yes, and uh ever since I noticed this, so this pattern repeated to to make you realize what I mean to to facilitate uh this concept. For example, ex-president Bill Clinton, yes, he's a Leo, oh a big Leo, definitely, yes, yeah, absolutely, everything is Leonian about him, yeah. You know, such a uh larger than life personality. You just see the man, he's tall. Yes, and Hilary is a Scorpio, a very Scorpio. So how comes yeah, discordant sign? Yeah, but they are together for like I don't know, 50-60 years by the way. Yes, first of all, Hilary has her son in her fifth house. Ah, interesting. The fifth house is the son, is the house archetypally corresponding to the sign of Leo.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

So Bill, a Leonian son, Hilary, a fifth house son. Yes, that's the same almost archetypally.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

That's very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Don't get me wrong, signs, but archetypally they represent uh similar energies, right? Similar archetypes, right? Although signs are more cosmic. Here we have uh Libonian sun and a fifth house sun, so they do match just out of their suns. But if we move on, and Bill's moon is located in his eighth house.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Archetypally, the eighth house corresponds to Scorpio, right? But Hillary is a Scorpio, and this is a powerful um connection because my ancestor, the Greek Ptolemy, had a special paragraph in his, you know, Tetra Bibulos, yeah, saying that uh we do have uh strong sinistries, Bill Clinton with uh eighth house moon, uh, and uh his wife is a Scorpio. That's an amazing archetypal affinity. Absolutely. You cannot you don't see this right away. That's why I'm calling this type of sinus 3 latent. You don't see it on the first glance, you have to think about it and you have to delve a little bit to get it, otherwise you don't see it right away. But um it is as important as the um classical um sinus three, classical affinities, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:28

That is so interesting. A lot of a lot of people think, oh, we have uh sun signs in discordant, uh discordant signs, so maybe it's not going to work out, but you're saying there's this deeper layer that uh can be just as important and and can lead to exactly yeah your your phrase is uh the right one.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

There is a deeper layer in relationships. It's not an easy thing uh to to investigate and uh pick up the energies because uh an intimate relationship is a mystery, two people connecting and uniting and merging, and it's not so easy to understand the dynamics of um a sinistry. You have to take other points of view, absolutely and latent uh sinusry, it's a vital point of view. You have to seek archetypal affinities apart from the classical ones, all right? All right, classical ones do work, right? If I'm an Aries and I have a Sagittarius human, that's fine. It will somehow work, although no relationship is perfect. You are going to class with another human being somewhere along the road. Not all planets will be perfectly aligned, but this is part of the game, this is part of the evolution thing that the intimate relationship represents. It's not just about having a great time because I'm listening, uh, I'm close to some cafes and you know bars, they are close to my house, and I'm I'm often listening to young girls and boys talks, and they say, I I gonna I wanna be in a relationship to have fun, right? To have fun, to and I say, Poor girl. What you're saying is so far away from reality. You will get in a relationship, but the more intimate you it will become, the tougher will be for you because you're too young, and you uh work on a raw level of ego, ego, egotistical level, and intimate relationships, hate ego. You have to become us, you have to become one with the other person. So pour you that you're gonna have fun in your intimate relationship.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yes, narcissism has no place in uh in a in a long-term absolutely, but they are so innocent.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

I mean, we were like this when I was 18. I was believing the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Um we just didn't have the dating apps back then to um make make a you know romance into it constant shocking, especially in my generation, not at all.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

It was everything was you know face value. You had to meet the right person in your somehow family environment in Greece. It wasn't easy to to get a partner to to encounter somebody out of your family or school environment, so it was everything very strict, severe. Yes, but uh today with Tinder and all these applications, I mean they ruin the magic. Yeah, they ruin magic. It's like buying socks, right? Or buying you know uh something, uh blah blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

And and once the magic wears off, you're you're back on the app shopping again for the next uh the next exciting thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Yes, and it's a pity because intimate relationships are so important and so profound and so um evolutionary. We've we uh rise up through uh an intimate relationship, it's so powerful, and Scorpios, you know, that they have all this mystery because an intimate relationship is represented by the sign of Scorpio. It starts with Libra, but Libra is a masculine sign, so it doesn't delve deep into intimate relationships, it is a little bit scared, yes, it prefers to you know balance and harmony, and if you want to become one with somebody, you have to transcend the Libra states and and and be more bold and try to delve deeply with the individual you are with. So you merge with this person and you become one, and uh this always uh comes through pain and uh tribulations and everything. But um the study of uh synastry is so important and um I have so many examples. I mean, regarding Bill Clinton and um and Hillary, there are so many latent synastric elements. Just let me tell you some of them. I mean, apart from uh the said the ones I have already mentioned, Hillary unexpectedly, because uh we think of Hillary as being tough, but she has a Pisces moon. Yes, yes, which is a quite compassionate moon.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

It would have to be, it would have to be, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yes, but you know, since Pisces is a super universal, yeah, transcendental uh sign, it might become impersonal as well, right? And if you become that impersonal, you are tough, right? Because uh nothing personal is important to you, you are just on a frequency of uh you know, collectivity, a collective frequence that everybody we are all one, so it doesn't matter who you are because we are all one. That is so interesting. A strange situation, yeah. And um Hillary has um a Pisces moon, Bill has a Taurus moon, but in their sinus three, and this is another latent element, Bill's moon is falling in Hillary's twelfth house. Wow, and why I'm saying this, because in that way, Bill's moon gets uh Pis's eyes becomes Pisces, right? As long as Bill is side by side with Hilary, and this is so critical and so vital in relationships. When you are with a partner, you become something you are not, probably. But since you live with this partner and you are exchanging energies constantly, and you are hand in hand, and uh he or she stands by your side, and your planets are falling in uh your partner's houses, and the other way around, you become something you are not with this person, and we all we all feel that. I mean, we get in relationships and we feel we are not what we were before. It's like we metamorphosized into something new, and when we break and we split our relations, our intimate relationships, again we feel that there was a huge uh change, something changed totally in us. Yeah, we are not anymore with that person, and we became something else.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

An identity crisis sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Absolutely. Yeah, well, they are sub we are supposed to pass through identity crisis phases when we get into an intimate relationship and when we split uh with our partner, and and I'm not talking about one night stance because you you don't have the time and yeah, to to to cultivate uh feelings and uh soul energies, it's so fast, and often you are drunk, so you don't get almost anything. But um, when uh the relationship has meaning, it is it you have to transform and metamorphosize and get into an identity crisis when you get into the relationship and when you come out of that relationship in both stages.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

And that brings us to the one of the next things you had mentioned, which is the progressed charts in in Sinistry. How do you use that in your practice?

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Indeed, indeed. I use them a lot, and um what is actually the progress chart is our own self in the uh in the present, because we we ever change as human beings, as energy fields, because every human being is a humongous energy field, uh energies, and and we are not static, we are not, you know, we ever ebb and flow, we ever change. And if we are in an intimate relationship, uh the way we change affects the very relationship, and of course, the way our partner ever changes, affects the quality and the identity of the relationship. So this is uh as uh ancient Greek philosopher said, everything is flux, everything is constantly changing, and nothing stays the same, everything changes, an intimate relationship is ever changing, right? And the only method to to uh to keep up with this flux of energies and the ever-changing of an intimate relationship, in my opinion, is progressions because uh you understand the evolution of each member of the relationship. For example, uh today's in today's Bill Clinton's progressions, his progress son is in Scorpio.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

And it has been in Scorpio for very many years now, because you know progress sun stays for 30 years always. Yeah, right in a sign. But this is great for Hillary because if Bill is a Scorpio by progressions, the two come very close because she's a Scorpio, right? Yeah, well, also another couple that I studied for our podcast is uh President Trump with Melania. Okay, Melania has nothing to do um regarding her solar sign um with Trump who is a Gemini, Cesataurus, but her progress son is in Gemini, and President Trump is a Gemini, right? And wow the the interesting thing is that uh her progress son uh is now at the very last degree of Gemini, so uh very soon it will get in cancer, so uh her energy field will change out of this uh progression, and um I think it will affect her relation to President Trump, and and they might come a little bit apart.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Yeah, that's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Yes, she's becoming a progressed cancer, right? Right, yes, and um there are so many intricacies in um in uh latent sinus three, and uh for example, let me mention uh some more elements President Trump's and Melania. Yes, uh late and sinus trail a little bit. Sure. They are so alien between them.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I never would have guessed that.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Yeah, you could never guess, right? Nobody would guess. Oddly enough. I mean, Melania has a tight uh sun Saturn conjunction.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

And you know, uh the sun in the chart of a woman is so important and it's one of her masculine archetypes, yes, right? The other one being Mars. So if a woman has a sun Saturn contraction, she's seeking a partner with Saturnian characteristics.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

And guess what? President Trump has his son in his tenth house, which is a Saturnian house. Very much so, yeah. Archetypally uh connected to the sign of Capricorn, right? So what she is seeking, she gets through Trump. And not only this, here Mars is in Gemini, so we get her second masculine archetype. Her perfect partner uh should have some Gemini attributes, and here we are. Trump is a Gemini.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

So both your masculine archetypes are satisfied in this relationship, and you don't see this immediately if you just take a look and say, oh, a Gemini with a Tauros woman? No way, it won't work. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah, we we can never look at two charts and say it wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Yeah, we should never do that on the surface, no, right? Because you never know, you never know. But bad thing with many astrologes is like they try to become gods, and they want to predict everything, and uh they are somehow manipulating their clients by telling them what they should do, which partner to pick up. I mean, or even uh when give birth to their baby, which uh I don't understand it. Uh they ask me, my clients, oh um, I'm about to give birth to my baby, uh, what date and time? And I say, please. Oh my god, the universe is more wise than me. Ask me when the universe wants you to give birth to your baby, you will, yeah, and then we are going to take a look what was the universe's choice, because the baby, it's not just yours, yeah, it's universe's too. So let the universe make the choice, it it never fails. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, we have so many elements like I can get deeper and deeper in late in sinus three. I mean, um Tram has a Sagittarian moon, and uh yeah, he he was born during a lunar eclipse.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Yes, that's a strange thing, right? Being born in a lunar eclipse, which is the darkening of the moon, and somehow having a mysterious relationship. We don't know exactly what kind of relationships he had in the past with um women.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Yes, well, we we know that the two times he's won for president, he's beaten women, which is yes, a historical phrase.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yeah, exactly. But um we we can delve deeper. He has a Leo ascending, and uh the cusp of his seventh house falls in in uh Aquarius, and the cusp of the seven houses extremely important when we come down to relationships and the cusp of the eighth, in my opinion, too. But um, it is a strange fact that he has a seven house Aquarius because uh his attitude uh regarding mating is strange. It's aquarian, it's so free. I want to stay free and um I want my freedom, independence, no oppression at all, but um uniting and mating with somebody means oppression. Yes, it's it's some oppression you will get because you have to compromise. I mean, uh I just like uh to watch football, and my wife likes you know uh uh you know melodramatic uh uh serials and uh movies.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

And uh it's hard to to see together something, and I compromise often getting oppressed and seeing some melodramatic uh thing that I might cry sometimes as well, because we men are sensitive to and we have feminine energies. But anyway, I would prefer a football match, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Yes, there's plenty of drama in football.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, uh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but it is the autistic masculine energy, you just you just don't invest sentimental energies, it's just energy and external activity. Yeah, feminine energy means internal activity, like feelings, like feeling and producing soul energies. Because in uh, I don't know, in Dallas, for example, in the past, or every kind of um this melodramatic series, uh you just um identify with uh the woman that uh her partner cheated on her and uh uh she feels bad and uh all this, and this is internal activity, feminine activity, and by their nature, women prefer internal activity while men prefer external activity, right? Right. So that doesn't mean that many men have uh feminine energies, and many women have masculine energies. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

It's all a balance, and everyone has uh everyone has all the ten planets uh battling for for supremacy in their chart, and it's all uh they're they're all different characters making up uh very complex um exactly balance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

By the way, now all the exterior transcendental planets are in masculine uh signs, even Jupiter is gonna enter a Leo in uh in summer. Yes, so the energy shifted, but there is no meaning uh by telling I'm a woman and uh I prefer feminine energies, or I'm a man and I prefer masculine energies because we have both. It doesn't mean anything. I I I know cancer men, uh I don't know, with uh Scorpio or Pisces moon or a moon in the fourth house, in the eighth house, and they are more feminine than most women, yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, and the other way around. So um, because sometimes I get misunderstood because in my lessons, etc., I talk about masculine energies, feminine energies, and my newcomers, ladies, usually they say, Oh, what are you what are you talking about? You're a man and talking about masculine energies like they are superior. I say, no, they are not superior, they are exactly equal. Masculine and feminine energies are the the two sides of the same thing. Yes. So if we have the same thing, both sides are equal, both faces.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Yin yen yang, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Absolutely, these uh Chinese were very wise. I mean, yeah. Behind astrology, we have this Tao symbol. It's the first lesson to to neophytes, neophiti in Greek, new new students. Uh, I'm talking about the Tao, Chinese Tao, and the whole lesson is about tau and yang and yin energies, because they hide even behind the stroll. Somehow the zodiac is a tau symbol.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Yes. Yes, the balance of masculine and feminine, but each contain a bit of the other.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Absolutely, absolutely. More elements about um these famous famous couples. And if if you want me, I might talk a little bit about mundane astrology because we are going through some tough um moments right now worldwide.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

I would love that. We can we can continue talking about mundane astrology. On uh I'll call you right back and we can start recording again. Great, great, great. All right. Well, I'm gonna wrap this, I'm gonna wrap this up as one episode and then we'll we'll start another episode. So thank you so much, Thomas, for speaking to us about sinistry today. This has been wonderful. Thank you, Arwen. Absolutely. Thank you, everyone, for listening. This has been an interview with Thomas Gaziz, a Greek astrologer who specializes in latent sinistry and mundane astrology. Please be sure to check your podcast feed for the continuation of our interview, which should be up next week. Make sure you are getting our newsletter at starzology.com slash newsletter. Make sure you're also following me at Ms.Pink.net. I'm uh sending out my weekly newsletter every Saturday. And make sure that you're following or subscribe to our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to send us an email if you want to uh be a future guest on the podcast. And we will see you next week.