218. MUNDANE Astrology: Thomas Gazis

In this interview, Arwynne and Greek astrologer Thomas Gazis turn their attention to MUNDANE astrology, the branch of astrology that studies world events and historical cycles.

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SPEAKER_02 0:11

Welcome to the Starzoology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Arwen O'Neill, and today I am continuing my conversation with Greek astrologer Thomas Gaziz. If you were listening last week, you heard us discuss uh latent sinistry and his approach to comparing birth charts of a couple of very famous people in the world. We went through the Clintons, Bill and Hillary, and compared their charts using latent sinistry. And we also talked about uh Donald Trump and Melania. So if you were interested in that, please listen to this podcast, which is a continuation of our discussion, moving on to mundane astrology, the astrology of politics and historical cycles, specifically focusing on the world at war currently. So please join me and welcome again, astrologer Thomas Gaziz. Okay, so we're gonna shift gears a bit and talk about mundane astrology, which is actually one of my personal favorites. So let me know what you um how you use this in your practice.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Well, um I had I have had great teachers. I mean, I'm a Daniel Germaniac.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Yes, reading his books ever since I was like 20 years old. And this means for very many decades now. And uh of course, Richard Tarnas.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Oh, I love him.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Absolutely, and so I have very good teachers, and uh plus always I'm trying to figure out uh things and produce some mundane astrology knowledge on my own because you don't get uh some details. I mean, although these um astrologers are super great, uh you don't uh feel complete sometimes, uh, and you have to search here and there, and it's difficult to get information, so you have to create um interpretations regarding mundane astrology, and um uh trying to be objective and see things with a clear mind. I say this because I noticed um like uh almost 20 years ago that transit in Pluto was rising high in the chart. To me, um the classical zodiac is a sort of um universal um chart, right? I mean I'm picturing the zodiac uh as uh the space around us, Aries is the horizon, Capricorn is the zenith above our heads, and Cancer is under the earth, and uh you know uh the western uh horizon is uh Libra. Yes, of course. And this has um a function of its own. If you want to study mundane affairs, you have to know how these signs are affected its time, and uh which signs are emphasized where the energies of the planets and especially the transcendental planets are falling in. And uh 20 years ago I noticed that Pluto was rising high in the zodiac or in the universal uh horoscope, as I call it, and that was strange to me because as a Greek, I know Greek mythology, yes, and Pluto should not rise high on the sky, he should be kept under our feet in the underworld, yes. That's it's his kingdom, right? So it was curious to me, and I was saying to myself, why? How comes what kind of period we are getting in right now, um uh collectively? And I thought about the previous time that Pluto was rising high, etc.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

France revolution and all the things uh and um and and by rising you mean it's entered Capricorn.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Yes, yes, uh and um then Aquarius, where it is right now, yeah. And it gave me a feel of anneas. I say this uh last three signs are the so-called collective societal signs. So whatever energies enter in these signs, they are reflected onto our societies collectively over the earth, right? Over the entire earth. Right? This goes for every uh sign, but especially the fourth quadrant, the last three signs are the most collective of them all. So we have to pay particular attention when transcendental planets are entering there. And we had um a period where Pluto was in the last quadrant and uh Neptune as well, and and and this has enormous significance to me, uh mundanely speaking, because these two planets affected uh the world, the entire world, in uh in ways we don't fully understand right now, and uh after maybe 30, 50, 100 years, they will better interpret these influences because when you are leaving these energies, you don't become conscious of those energies and the way they affect you. Anyway, I was particularly aware of the fact of Pluto uh entering Capricorn and then uh Aquarius and especially Aquarius is the fixed sign of this triad. Yes, of this super collective uh triad, right? Super societal. And to me, uh it had a particular meaning, but as I was reading the predictions of other astrologers, uh everybody was somehow uh joyful, and Pluto will enter in Aquarius, and people will rise, we will have revolutions, innovations, etc. And my thought was wait a moment, you you just interpret the half of it, you you just uh focus on Aquarius. Pluto is not like that. Pluto will not give you um full democracy and pure um bloodless revolutions. There is Pluto in Aquarius right now, so our perspective should include Pluto, and Pluto won't give you just great innovations and um it will uh thrust you into the future because that's Aquarius. You are missing half of the scenery if you don't put Pluto there. So my idea was that Pluto in Aquarius will bring strongly and powerfully Plutonian energies all over our planet, all over our societies. Our societies will become darker somehow, more belligerent, or more um deaf will be hanging over, will be hovering all over the planet, probably.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

In an in Aquarian way, which may be you know technologically enabled, which of course we are seeing.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Yes, exactly. What what kind of weapons we're seeing right now? Advanced, super advanced, and AI enabled, yeah. Exactly. It's amazing. I mean, uh, yeah. So beepers exploding, I mean amazing AI and super advanced technologies. Okay, and um uh that was my my interpretation, and uh I was the only one, probably, because most of them were talking about uh a great era we are entering, and we saw the evolution of this. We we are living now in uh on the verge of third world war, yeah. And I I predicted this as well. I uh I will brag a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yes, we we have to celebrate the wins even if they're terrible, yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, uh right. Fake modesty is not good anyway, and I have I have an arius moon and too much energy, so uh yes. So last uh January and February we had a a major stellium in Aquarius.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

The last time we had an exactly similar stellium was 1962. Oh when we had the Cuba crisis with Kennedy and Crusader and the planet again on the verge of a nuclear holocaust.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yes, the closest we ever came that we know of.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, then we had another uh Aquarius stallion uh some somewhere in the 80s, I don't remember exactly, but it wasn't that powerful and significant. And we are now having a we have had a very powerful and significant Aquarius stallion. And my prediction was that somehow the Cupac crisis is gonna be repeated. There's gonna be a major worldwide issue regarding uh nuclear war or um uh a war and uh that there wasn't before there, a new kind of war, very extreme, uh dispersed all over the planet, and uh a war that would bring us on the verge of uh nuclear holocaust again, like in 1962. And we are living this thing right now. I mean, me in Greece, I'm on the radius of Iranian missiles right now, because uh ballistic Iranian missiles uh can arrive easily in Greece. We are uh uh a few thousand of kilometers away of Fira, and anytime a ballistic missile might hit uh Greece, right? Or even other European countries. And we don't know that. And who knows what else will happen. Uh extreme things are happening all over our planet. Uh we have three major wars, and uh other wars uh developing uh like uh Pakistan, Afghanistan. I mean, we never had uh a situation like this for many decades, right? Right, and uh we've lost the peace we had in the previous decades, or at least we Westerners were living uh, you know, a cosy life, peaceful life. But um we are losing this right now, especially in Europe. And I also predicted that Europe will become decadent. Uh I predicted this back in 2020 because um there is a 500 years uh major mundane cycle, five hundred years approximately. Richard Tarnas talked uh extensively about this cycle, but uh my theory was that uh Europe became powerful when the Spaniards conquered the the Aztecs and when they besieged and conquered Tenochtitlan, the modern Mexico City. Yes, that was the first time ever that the Europeans um conquered the uh intercontinental um colony that acquired an intercontinental colony because you know Europeans were major bastards. Yeah. I'm sorry, I I live in Europe, but uh they had ugly wars. Yes, they had very, very ugly wars, and they were conquering each other and fighting each other out of you know great and uh expansionism, etc. So the European continent uh was permanently on some major war, right? Napoleon, I mean, crazy, the history of Europe is crazy, yes. But that was the major um uh thing for Europe, acquiring an intercontinental colony, major, huge, a steck, rich colony. Yeah, that's how European colonialism started, and then they acquired uh other colonies in Far East, um Africa, etc. And Europe became the major power of the planet. And it stayed like this, and it was not just a military power, it was a cultural power with renaissance and beautiful churches, and um uh Italian painters, fantastic, and such a beauty. I mean, Europe produced so much culture, and uh it was on the top of world of the world, of the entire world, for uh at least five centuries.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Now it's not anymore. Right. It's a weak continent. America uh is not supporting Europe anymore the way it did in the past. It just said, just take care of your own selves. I mean, come on, just uh buy some weapons or produce your own weapons. I'm not gonna pay my my dollars for you anymore, all right? Right, do your thing. And suddenly we Europeans realize how weak and poor we are, and not only this, we we don't produce anymore culture, civilization, which was uh a great thing for Europe to produce art, music, culture, thinking, um Renaissance and everything. Not anymore. It's uh the worst version of a consumeristic uh continent. It's it's uh the ugliest part of America, Europe, because consumerism came to Europe, we had enough money like a few decades ago, not anymore. Europe is becoming ever poorer, and um it has nothing new to offer. Europeans are suddenly finding themselves in a vacuum, in a void, cultural void, and uh they have no meaning right now in their lives, and uh it's depressive. Europe has become a depressive uh continent, right? So my idea was that uh these five hundred years plays a major role because, for example, the conjunction of Neptune and Pluto is taking place almost every 500 years. But not only that, every 500 years we have um the same uh the same presence of Neptune in the same sign. I mean, okay, first of all, uh let me give you a different perspective. In 1521 and 22 a little bit, Cortes uh besieged and conquered the Nuts declan.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

I mean uh these Spaniards were lucky, they had a small army, but of course cannons and powerful weapons, and they defeated and smallpox. Yeah, they exterminated poor uh Aztecs and Central Southern Americans and Indians, and um but um this uh coincided uh 1521, Pluto was in Capricorn, yeah, Neptune was in Pisces, Uranus was in Taurus, and uh back then Saturn was in Aquarius, and I was writing this article back in uh 2022, and then those planets that I mentioned were located in the very same signs: Pluto in Capricorn, Neptune in Pisces, Uranus in Taurus, and even Saturn in Aquarius, like in 1521. And that was an amazing coincidence. It's not actually a coincidence. Every five hundred years, an impressive phenomenon is taking place, an astronomical and astrological at the same time, phenomenon called resonance. Right? And the the the planets resonate somehow. What I mean they they uh resonate uh it takes uh 84 years for Uranus to uh revolve around the sun, and it takes 165 years uh for uh Neptune to revolve around the Sun, almost the double. Yeah, and then Pluto takes 248, yeah, almost thrice that the revolution of Uranus, which is 84 years. So there is a secret relation, a secret numerology, a resonance, a mysterious resonance, which is not that mysterious because these planets revolve around the sun for billions of years, and it is natural for every planetary system to be resonating after several billions of years, all the planets revolving, each planet is somehow influencing the other, and we get a resonance out of this. So, to make a long story short, we have this magic cycle of 500 years, super resonating cycle for almost all planets. I mean, uh, even Jupiter is somehow resonating uh like 44 times uh uh every 500 years. You find it in the very same sign almost. Yes, but definitely Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto uh after 500 years, you will find them in the same uh sign they are currently, for example. Just take a planetary ephemeris or your astrological program and do this experiment. Project a date in the future, 500 years after 2026, and you will see the transcendental of the outer planet. That they will be in the very same signs, or in some cases, in adjacent signs, almost in the very same science. This is important, right? Right. So my conclusion was that a big cycle is closing for Europe. It uh flourished, conquered the entire planet, uh it was a super rich continent, very culturally advanced. It was the center of the entire planet. Everybody wanted to come over to Europe. I mean, even the Americans see in old movies, they say, I'm gonna go in Europe, and they are exciting. I mean, yes, that they feel that they're gonna go to a place which is very old and has so much culture, and they are thrilled, right? Yeah. But um we have beautiful buildings yet still, but the energy went away. We're not that prosperous, we are not flourishing, and we are not producing. We are not producing, right? We are in a huge crisis, existential crisis. And so my prediction was that uh Europe uh will uh enter in a in the phase of uh decadence right now. Uh it lost uh uh its uh vavavum, it lost its power, its energy, it's glowing, it's not anymore. And plus thanks to resonances, I predicted somehow uh the bragging keeps on, uh I predicted the uh Ukrainian war because um I'm studying history and always I mean everything I do always astrology comes to my mind. Yes, even if I am with people talking, I'm just trying to to find out in my mind what kind of sign he is and this is tiresome. I mean, and I always avoid to to talk about astrology unless people start talking.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Oh 100%. I I agree. Yeah, it's but once someone opens the door, then it's on.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yeah, because you don't want, I mean, if you if you have a restaurant, you you just get sick and tired of food sometimes because all day long. So uh I was um studying the Crimea War. Uh you don't know about Crimea, probably you you have heard it around now through the war in Ukraine, yes, but uh Greece is close to Russia and to Crimea, and I knew the place, I knew the case, because in 1853, uh the allies of that epoch, uh England, France, uh Russia, and even Turkey, or sorry, not Russia, England, France, Turkey, and all the Allied powers. Ever heard of uh Florence Nightingale?

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

That was the nurse that helped the soldiers coming back from the Crimea front, Florence Nightingale back in 1853.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Maybe you have seen the melodramatic series in TV out of Florence Nightingale. And um so they the allies overpowered Russia back then, and uh they defeated it and um they um uh conquered and acquired uh Crimea, not for a long time though. And um when I saw this, uh I noticed that back in 1853 Uranus was um uh in Taurus, Neptune in Pisces, and the North Node in Germany. And then I noticed that in 2021 Uranus would be in Taurus, Neptune in Pisces, the North Node in Germany. Yes, and I said in my mind, what are the chances that some kind of Crimea war will be repeated right now? And uh I wrote I wrote an article and uh I published it in several mundane astrology, American mostly, groups, and here we are. The yes Ukraine war uh happens, and suddenly I have uh an influx of messages. Oh, you you you were right. Uh how comes you predicted the Ukrainian war? And apparently I was the only one that predicted the war in Ukraine. Yeah. And um it's again thanks to planetary resonances, because again uh Uranus and Neptune were resonating the same the same way they were resonating back in 1853, plus the no the nodes of the moon. And when something is repeated upon our sky, something will happen here on Earth. Similar. That's uh hermetic law. And what a wise uh text the hermetic text was, because you see, these things really happen. Absolutely, yes. And um, so my guess was that first of all, Pluto in Aquarius is gonna influence Russia, apart from the fact that I predicted a new Crimea type of war with Russia involved. In my mind, traditionally Russia is an Aquarius sign, so uh I guessed Pluto in Aquarius will uh overactivate Russia in a certain sense. Maybe in a belligerent sense, but um uh survival to this country will be paramount because Pluto is all about surviving when we come face to face with Pluto, either as individuals or as countries, Pluto is telling us this is no joke. You either gonna live, but you gotta be a tough person to live, so you merit this, uh or you die. No joke here, guy, fellow, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

So I just saw Pluto in Aquarius, and I said this is the second sign that something is gonna happen with Russia, it's gonna get involved in some sort of war, and uh it will be a matter of survival, and uh uh it will be survival for other countries, and in general, Pluto in Aquarius, the uh fixed sign of the super so set societal uh signs means that we're gonna have wars because the fabric of society will be plutonized with Pluto in Aquarius.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

And and not just not just Pluto. I I have to interject, um Uranus is entering Gemini in April, and that placement corresponds with not only the US Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and World War II. And there have been several astrologers who predicted that this year we would have some sort of I don't want to say World War III, but um I I I expanded probably I'm one of the first astrologers that predicted the probability of a civil war in the States.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Yes, and now there is the movie Civil War.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yes, not not a great movie, but uh I did see that on the plane, actually.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

I seen the trailer, and yeah, it's I see Americans and they casually encounter other Americans and they say, Hey, hey, uh, what are you? And they say, I'm American. Yeah, but what kind of American? It's that was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

It is crazy. It's it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Uh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, after the um prediction on the Crimea War, I just follow this logic, and um the next thing to do was moving on from 1853 to 1861, and we had a civil war in the United States, and my guess was that there is a huge probability this thing might be repeated. And I was thinking about this in 2021 or 2022 mostly, and um always already the situation was polarized in the States back then, but not so much, there wasn't so much uh the the probability of a civil war now today. Definitely there is that's why they made the movie, yeah. But um yes, uh things are repeated, although I have uh some details in my article, my relative article about um the civil war in the States. There are a few of diverse configurations, they're not exactly the same as in 1853. I might uh send a link so people get to read.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

We will link to that in the show notes. Absolutely. We would love to promote that article.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Okay, yeah. So this is the case. I mean, um, the fabric of um society all over the planet has been plutomased. I mean, it started with Pluto and Capricorn, uh, especially in Europe, with uh terrorist attacks all over the place. I mean, when I got married, we went with my wife in Paris, and we are so cozy, so relaxed. No terrorist attacks back then, a peaceful atmosphere. Yeah, the Eiffel Tower, great restaurants, baguettes, and everything. It was so serene and calm. Now you don't get this after the especially uh the end um like 2010 and all these terrorist attacks, backlat, but uh what's the name of the club? But Bataclan, uh and all these um uh uh, you know, trucks, huge trucks, uh mowing mowing people on the streets, and everything changes, and you don't feel at tears. You are in Paris and your mind I would my mind would be in uh in a in a state of is somebody gonna explode his uh suicide vest over here, right? Uh is somebody gonna mow us with his truck? That uh wasn't the case like 20 years or 30 years ago that we got married. Everything was so peaceful, it's really not anymore. And this started over when Pluto entered Capricorn. Capricorn is the smith of the universal horoscope, and it has to do uh with society. I mean, being uh under the Eiffel Tower, you are in a Capricornian environment because you're not in your private house, you are in a societal societal environment with people. Yeah. People. A lot of people mean society in an open space and in a huge square, and there are people there. That's society.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

And uh every place you are in a public event, uh rock concert, that we had terrorists in rock concerts as well. It's a public space, it's society. Wherever society is, Capricorn is there because Capricorn symbolizes symbolizes um the uh structured society. Right, right. Okay, but if Pluto is in Capricorn, death is around, all around you. And that's unusual because in a societal environment, deaths not be obvious. I mean, people are dying all the time, but not uh on a public square on an open streets, right? They are dying in their houses, hospices, and uh it's something very sad, but this is life. People are dying all the time.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Capricorn also represents authority, and I think there was a huge uh crisis in trust in authority, the the faith that we used to have in governments and in and just the news, even to tell us the truth. There's you know, people don't trust facts anymore, and uh, and that's been a very recent occurrence.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

Very good remark. We start doubting, doubting doubting everything. Yeah, we we we we uh we don't trust anymore. I mean, that was uh my parents didn't trust that much the government, but yes, no, mine either, but uh yes, but sometimes they were telling me, yeah, yeah, we have to do this because the government says so, and uh we have to do this, not anymore. The government says that you get suspicious out of everything said by the government, everything, and then you look up your own facts, yeah. Exactly, yeah, and definitely this is Pluto in Capricorn, right? And not only this, it's you know, um Pluto um has to do with getting naked, it has to do with people having sex, and you have sex, you get naked, and vulnerable, yeah. Yeah, the naked thing uh extends to everything. I mean, politicians become naked, yeah, but that secrets are revealed, yeah, and societal secrets become obvious, uh, open up, uh they become naked, uh, you cannot have them anymore. And this process started with Pluto and Capricorn, although Capricorn is a feminine sign, so it was a little bit reluctant to uh to make things open, to put things on to the open, but uh it is um the um uh cardinal sign of this trio, yes, and started the whole procedure of revealing the dirty stuff of politicians, of states, of everything, revealing, and definitely this uh was um uh focused more powerfully when Pluto passed into Capricorn, uh sorry, in into Aquarius, because Aquarius is crazy about truth, about the truth. Yes, it's an absolutely crazy sign about telling the things how they are, not hiding anything, not um being hypocritical.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Well, we are we're definitely entering a very interesting time that is a continuation of of that uh that beginning of Pluto into the the final quadrant. Thomas, I could talk to you for hours about this, and uh we we can definitely schedule a future interview. Um gladly thank you so much for joining us on Starzology.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Thank you, Arwen. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Absolutely fascinating. And we will share links to your articles down below in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Great.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Thank you. Have a nice evening.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

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