221. Cardsy B. Interview: 💙 Professional Astrologers

In this engaging episode of the Starzology podcast, Arwynne sits down with Cardsy B—astrologer, tarot reader, author, and creator behind the Hex in the City podcast. Based in New York, Cardsy B shares her journey from a creative career in fashion to becoming a full-time “wellness witch,” a path catalyzed by a brutal, yet deeply transformative Saturn return.

Self-taught in tarot from a young age, she later expanded into astrology through the symbolic connections embedded within the tarot. Her work today blends tarot, astrology, and numerology, with a particular focus on timelines and intuitive insight.

This episode is both inspiring and practical, highlighting how personal transformation can evolve into meaningful, healing work for yourself and the benefit of others.

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Website: https://www.cardsyb.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cardsyb/

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SPEAKER_00 0:11

Welcome to the Starzoology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Arwen O'Neill, and today I have a special guest. I will be interviewing Card Z B. She is an astrologer, tarot card reader, and author based in New York City. Please join me in welcoming Card Z B. Hello, thanks so much for joining me, Card Z B. Shall I call you Card Z B?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Is that uh Yeah, so my phone name is Rebecca Simzak, but um yes, all of my my tarot deck, my book, my podcast is all under Card Z B, which was a nickname given by a friend, and then it just kind of stuck.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

So that's I love how that happens. Yeah, it's like my tarot name a bit the same. It's it was it started out with like a little like an advice column I did like back in the late 90s, and now I'm still Ms. Pink all these years later.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

So I love that.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Thank you. Well, let's get started talking. I mean, let's dive right into what are your big three sun, moon, and rising sign? Let's start with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Yeah, so my son is Sagittarius, Moon, Libra, and Aries rising.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Amazing. I love that. I'm a double Virgo with Scorpio rising.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

So oh my god, that's amazing. My my mom is Virgo, my dad is Scorpio, and I have a lot of Virgos in my life in like all different placements.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

So my mother is a Sagittarius and I am surrounded by Sagittarians. I need the fiery energy because I've got no fire in my chart except for Neptune, which is like what?

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Yeah, Sagin, Virgo, I feel like is a really good combination.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

I think so. I think so. It's that that that square that gets things done.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

So for our listeners who are new to you, how would you describe what you do? I mean, you do a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Yeah. So, you know, I always say for people that are Harry Potter's fans, I uh kind of majored in tarot and then as a result had like a backward back end minor into astrology. So because in the tarot, all 78 cards have a planetary or astrological ruling. That's kind of how I learned astrology. Um, and as a as a young kid, because I learned to read tarot. I was self-taught at like 10, 11 years old. And then I started buying all these astrology books of like, oh, what are these like um, you know, astrological rulings, what do they mean? So that's kind of how I how I learned astrology, but definitely um in my sessions both come up. I re I'm known a lot for reading timelines and with numerology and astrology in the cards. And I do one-on-one sessions. I am the wellness witch in residence at the Algonquin Hotel in Manhattan. I am the author of the book, The Saturn Diaries, and I have two tarot decks, one that's already out on the market, Badass Bitches Tarot, that is all iconic women as the 78 cards. And then my second deck, Hex in the City, that's all New York Witches, is coming out in early 27.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Amazing. There is just so much to unpack there. I mean, first of all, that's which is amazing. I've got my badass goddesses uh art theme. So this is this is all working out very well. Um, I'm actually intrigued by your connection with Saturn. What made you uh want to focus in on Saturn for that?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah, so I had a really brutal Saturn return. So I'm sure all of your listeners are also like very astrologically inclined and well-versed. But for those who don't know, we have um when Saturn returns to the place we were born every 27 to like 30, 31 years, that was a really intense time in my life. So I always say Saturn is kind of like the mean teacher or like mean professor of the planetary system where we learn a lot of powerful lessons through Saturn, but it's not always easy. And as a Sagittarius, Aries rising with like so much sag in my chart. I'm I I don't really like the discipline often of Saturn, especially at that point in my life when I was, you know, late 20s. And at that point, um, I um my best friend passed away. Uh, my kind of big I global VP creative director job at Playboy in the fashion industry was was pulled away. And then shortly after that, my ex asked for a divorce. So it was kind of all these things that were ego identifiers of like, this is who I am, this is what makes me worthy, were pulled out in my first Saturn return. And though it was really challenging, it also brought me back home to really the truth of who I am, which a big part of that is tarot nostrology as healing tools for myself and also healing tools that I now am able to use for others. So I'm really grateful for that time. It was definitely not fun and not easy. Um, but the reason I call my book The The Saturn Diaries is it's and it's the a modern-day grimoire because it's half, half memoir, half spell book of things that I experienced in that time that brought me into this work now, that kind of took me from like fashion bitch to wellness witch in the in the work that I'm doing now.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

That's amazing. And where is your Saturn placed? So we all have a Scorpio. Good Lord. Yeah, that all tracks perfectly, right? Mine's in cancer, and my Saturn return was all about uh losing my job and then being evicted because I couldn't pay my rent. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so like the terror of homelessness, which of course was never actually on the table because I had a partner at the time who I'm still with, but that terror of like, oh my god, they're removing my shell.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yeah. And it never goes away. Oh, 100%. And I think that like when you hit close to that, there's a beauty in knowing that you survived it, but it also can be very triggering of root chakra issues moving forward. Because similarly, I had all the eviction notices. I was single at that time and at the worst part, living in like a 300 square foot apartment with rats and cockroaches, like absolute squalor. And nobody knew that because I had my fancy fashion life before. So that's what was always like on Instagram and had been in the media before. So no one knew how terrible it was. And even though I'm so grateful that I was able to completely re-rebuild my life and create a new business, um, I still have like moments when we had that really intense time in Pisces of this year, of like where kind of old fears were coming up for a lot of us of like the smallest things triggering that, which I'm sure you having a similar experience, it's like, oh my God, am I gonna lose everything again? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Every time I get an email from our landlords, like, even though I know we have great relationships now, I'm just like, if anyone knocks on the door ever because we're in a high rise, it's like, why are they knocking?

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Yes, oh my gosh, I totally completely understand.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yeah, yeah. Well, so how did you move from, as you say, to the the wellness witch? How does that uh play out? Did you start consulting right away, or was it more going into publishing first?

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Like how yeah, it was completely unplanned. So basically, my Saturn return was really brutal and I truly lost all my money. At the lowest point, I was living with rats and cockroaches and multiple eviction notices and had like$237 in my bank account. So I was taking any jobs I could get, like the lowest point, which is like in the Saturn Diaries, is kind of it's a lot of people say it's like a beach read. They can read it in a weekend. Um, it's very um like, you know, sex in the city, but true stories in terms of written through dialogue and characters that were in my life. And this story is in the Saturn Diaries. That uh, one of the jobs I took off Craigslist at the time was squashing foot fetish wine. So like grapes in this weird warehouse on the West Side Highway. So I was just taking anything I could get, like to try to just rebuild my bank account and rebuild my life. And I was pulling one tarot card a day just for myself because it had been something that I love since I was little, but never thought was going to be a career. And as I was doing that to kind of just like, what is, you know, God source the universe need me to know to pull through this time. Um, I started reading for a couple of friends that knew that I did it and knew that I was like really into tarot and astrology. And it started to spread of like, oh, she's predicting really accurate things of predicting pregnancies or these deals closing from like former fashion colleagues. And then I started to um read in some small, um, small places in the city, uh just like doing like, you know, little pop-up readings and and getting paid hourly for that. And then I um hand illustrated my first tarot deck, the one that's all like iconic women. Um, so it's like you can see like the um the world cards inspired by Betty White, uh like Hyro Fantasy Oprah, like kind of like teacher of like lessons and like super soul lessons. So I was hand illustrating those because I illustrated in my fashion career just to teach with because I was getting more and more um like people coming for readings and teaching in small groups. And then um that kind of took off and this deck came out in 2018. I think my podcast podcast Hex in the City launched in 2019, and it was just kind of like very natural and organic momentum, but I didn't, I'm so grateful that I get to do this full-time now. Um, but I didn't plan for it. It was just kind of as I was taking other freelance and consulting jobs, and then eventually was able to kind of cut back that security blanket of other jobs I was doing and fully focus on this for the past seven years. That's amazing. What a great journey. Yeah, yeah. I'm so grateful. I love it's like I still every day I'm so grateful that I get to do this like full time and this is my career path.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I'm so grateful. Was there one moment where you realized, like, okay, I'm actually doing this. This is my new life now.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Was yeah, was there one I I feel like it was, I think it was like 2019, 2020 when I had one small contract that was not because I I did literally cut it back like a security blanket. Like I had multiple clients in the fashion industry, then it was down to one larger client and like and like a smaller, and I kept cutting that back of like, oh, I, you know, like less days a week or less less projects that I'm on until it was one very small account and project. And I remember um just saying, like, guys, I don't think I can continue once the contract was up. And it was it was scary but freeing. At the same time, I'm like, oh my God, I'm actually a full-time witch. And it was funny because in that, in that corporate job that I was consulting in, we they did like a big company wide meeting at one point, and everyone had to say, like, what their, you know, the cheesy icebreakers of like, what would your job be if it wasn't what you do? And then all of the brown nosing people were like, exactly what my job is, it's my dream job. And then there were like the dudes that were like, I would be playing for the Yankees, and then I was like, I would be a chief witch officer, and everyone thought that was hilarious. And then like a year later, that's what my title is. I felt like that mic job. Um, yeah, so it was that moment of cutting back the final, um, like almost like necessary day job piece. And I was like, wow, I'm really, I'm really doing this full time. And it was from that point on, then my book came out in 2023, um, was published in 23. And then I got the residency with the Algonquin Hotel, which has now been ongoing for the past two years. Um, so yeah, it's it was definitely one of those like following the universe's invitation to do this, more came through as a result of that.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

That's fantastic and very inspiring for any aspiring astrologers or people who are trying to juggle that that passion and their day job and wondering, you know, could this ever actually be my actual hustle, not just the side hustle?

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Yeah, oh, definitely. And I think now more than ever, it's um definitely much more received and in demand. And as a result of that, I literally right before um this podcast had lunch with a friend of mine, and she's with like a major um uh like major international gym and spa that they employ her to do hypnotherapy and akoshic records and things that you would never think of, like being as a part of a gym and spa business. Um, so I think that the world is really changing in terms of the desire and connection to this work, which is yeah, it's great for anybody who's stepping into this and wants to make this their full-time, full-time job.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

It's a great time to be alive and being a little bit alternative and a little bit spiritual and whatever, kind of a cult adjacent, I guess. Yeah. How did you get into podcasting?

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Um, so that was something that I wanted to be able to share how I teach because when I was in sessions, people would always say, Oh, you break this down in terms of the tarot and astrology and how, like, again, how all of the tarot cards have astrological rulings. So three of wands is sun and aries. So it kind of is that like LFG, like make the leap, like take the initiative. And uh they were saying, like, I would love if you had uh like courses with this. And I I did do some small courses in New York, but I decided I was like, if I just do an energy update every week of what's coming astrologically and what's coming through the cards, that's a great way to help educate people in that are either starting to learn tarot and astrology or want to dive more in. And then it just kind of took off from there. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Are there any episodes that really stick out for you that uh are kind of like your favorite episodes or favorite interviews you've done with people?

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah, you know, I really love because I do have guests on Hex in the City, and I really love when I get to have guests, and it's a range of different like authors and content creators and um, you know, people in the like tarot astrology metaphysical space. And I got to interview Mary Kay Greer, who's like I'm just a big fan of her work because she is one of the people that I studied uh you like tarot from, and she wrote a book on tarot constellations, which is kind of the correlation between numerology and tarot. And so I was like, oh my gosh, such a fangirl. And a lot of a lot of tarot readers and practitioners kind of look at her as like the grand damn of tarot because she's been doing it forever and is like one of our leaders. So that was probably one of my very favorite episodes because just the fact that she came on and, you know, was also like a fan of like my deck and my work was like, I've worked so hard to be able to, yeah, to get here. Um, so it was one of those full circle moments, and I just really admire and respect what she's brought to the industry. So that's probably one of my favorites. But yeah, I feel like um it's I just have a lot of fun with it because I share the energy update for the week ahead, but then sometimes get to have really amazing conversations with guests as well.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Absolutely. Let's pull it back to astrology a little bit for our for our listeners who are who are coming to uh to this from an astrology perspective. And let's just start with your chart. Do you have a favorite aspect in your chart or one that you think says the most about you?

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Um, the one that says the most, I don't, that's a good question. I I actually I don't know. I feel like the fact just in general that I have like so much fire, like so many planets in in Sagittarius in general, that I'm very much as card-carrying Sagittarius, but I don't know that I like I can't off the top of my head think of one aspect that defines. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Card carrying, no pun intended. Love that. Yes, yeah. Well, okay. Do you have a favorite tarot card or one that maybe you feel is misunderstood? Aside from the death card, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah. Um, I love, I will, it's funny that you were just talking about like all the Sagittarius placements. I love King of Wands because it's um it's a King of Fire, and so it's you know, representative of Sagittarius, Leo, and Aries placements, and I have a lot of those. So I like narcissistically in my first deck, that's the card I made myself because I always say like the the great side of King of Wands is it's create, it's like creator energy, it's the like let's get things done, let's light the fires. And the shadow aspect or the reversal is the shadow aspect of a lot of like Sagittarius, Leo, and Aries of impatience. Uh I always say it's very um ready, ready fire aim versus ready, ready, aim, fire, and that's me in my impatience. Um, so I like I like King of Wands as the most representative of like me and my my astrological chart.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Love that. That's very cool. Of course, the the deck that I designed, I made myself the um the high priestess. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Oh, love, yes, yeah, totally. That suits you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

I have a weird New York story with that. And I've not lived there, but it has been my favorite place to visit uh for I mean, probably since childhood, because I used to read a lot of X-Men comics and they were based in New York. So I was like, I want to live in New York ever since I was like 12. But it was in 2000 that I was starting to create my own deck, and I created the High Priestess card with the I wanted to have like a lightning bolt in the background with like two towers, and and I was just searching online for pictures of towers being struck by lightning, and I found a picture of the actual World Trade Center towers, which of course I didn't really think about what they were at the time. It was just like, oh, these are amazing buildings. I know they're in New York, so I have those behind me in the Tarot card that I designed in like early 2000, like March 2001. And then I was taken offline because my laptop died, and I was able to sort of get all of my cards back in September after September 11th. And I found that card in the folder with all the things I had designed earlier that year, and I just got chills and was like, oh my god, this is insane. And then, of course, the tower card I designed, you know, based on the actual towers after that. But uh yeah, so it all kind of came together and it was like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah. My little collage deck that's uh it's a little more collage than than my own art, so it's not marketable, but uh it's still my favorite deck.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Very cool. Yeah, I think there's something that comes with creating your own deck that you connect with it in an even deeper way because it's like I had read for a long time and thought that I like I was like, oh, I know you know the the 78 cards inside and out, but like designing and like illustrating my own or collaging your own, it really takes you into deeper levels of understanding what each card represents because there are so many layers with the astrology and the numerology, and there's cabalistic tie-ins and the the original archetype if you're going by like the Smith Ryder Waite deck. So, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, I had so many different reference points of like all these different decks that I kind of had collected or or collected digitally rather, and then all of the descriptions, and it was like it was crossing it off the list. I had a grid of like, okay, I've got that one, I've got that one. And it took like a year and a half, but uh you've designed decks before. How was your what was your process?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah, the first one that I hand illustrated, I was very much like you. Like I had my my list, but I didn't go in order. I kind of was like what I felt, yeah, like what I felt called to illustrate in that given time in my life, things that were coming up thematically. I'm like, I'm gonna dive into this. Um, so the one I illustrated, the illustration piece probably took like six months. And then there was like the like, you know, writing and like formatting the guidebook. And then the deck that I'm doing now, I think I started it like that might have been closer to a year, maybe nine months of I haven't and I have an illustrator. This one it's so lovely because I have a really talented uh illustrator, Nick Lawyer, working with me on this, and um, so it's more of the art direction, and we kind of collaborate on like what the iconography that's gonna be in each card. And um, then I wrote the the guidebook, obviously, but that probably was about nine months from like start to finish, and now it's with the publisher, so it's gonna come out in um early 27. Amazing. Well, we'll have to link to all of these things for you, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Yeah. Um so what's coming up next for you? What are you excited about?

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Yeah, so I'm I mean, I'm really excited just moving into through like the rest of the month of April, because I think March was really challenging with the eclipses, the equinox, the Mercury retrograde, and Pisces. And it really was, I mean, I thought like a some of the most challenging uh cosmic transits on astrology that we've seen in March since 2020. So I was seeing a lot of my one-on-one clients going through the ringer. So I am like excited about things that are coming in April in general. So I have a few specific offerings for that, like one that's an astrological, like the since Aries is the astrological new year, astrological new year's reset reading um that's just available throughout the month of April. Um, and then a deep dive into intuition session that's how we kind of receive our information, whether it's through hearing, clear, clearer audience, seeing, clear clairvoyance, and different exercises that we tap into in that session to be how we can heighten our intuition and how we best receive kind of signs, synchronicities, et cetera. So those are new for this month. And then beyond that, um, just continuing with the Hex in the City podcast. And um, if you're in New York, come see me at the Algonquin Hotel for a one-on-one in-person session. And I do um Zoom sessions for clients all over the world. So that's always available too.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

I think we should we we should talk a little bit because I know that you do weekly, weekly episodes about state of the world a little bit, mostly focused on like what can you do with this energy. But the state of the world is pretty crazy right now, and you have touched on that a bit. And what should we carry forward with all this Aries energy, the uh Neptune-Saturn conjunction right on the Aries point? I mean, people are feeling overwhelmed and terrified.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Um yeah, and I mean, understandably so. And I, you know, the thing I think with that is even if we do to some degree like filter it, filter it out, it's gonna come up in our own micro individual levels. Because I'm somebody personally, like, I don't watch the news. I find a lot of it very fear-mongering and a lot of social media like clickbait fear-inducing. Um, but I find that, you know, I always say, like, I find out what I need to know from clients and friends of what's happening in the world. Um, but even with that, even if we are quite like filtered, um, we're gonna feel it because we're meant to purge and move through a lot of this darkness right now. So with that, I always say, like focusing on the things that are coming up and allowing yourself to feel them. Because I had this one client saying, you know, I've been so good about like not exposing myself to things that are like unnecessarily like, you know, fear-inducing, but I'm still feeling this. And I was like, well, we think about the collective as like I live in Manhattan. So let's say it's an apartment with very thin walls and everyone has horror movies on, and you're like, I'm just trying to meditate to Louise, hey, you're still gonna be impacted by like the screaming noises and like the volume of every person around you watching horror movies. So, because of that, if it does bring up something in you of feelings of scarcity, feelings of um, you know, lack of root chakra security in some way, feelings of solitude or loneliness, I think we are meant to feel them and sit with them, but it's just not necessarily attaching or like enmeshing and moving into that feeling. So we don't have to bypass or shame ourselves or like, oh, only think happy thoughts, but like, okay, what is coming up right now? And can I allow this to come up and through maybe? Because in doing that, we're helping the collective heal and move through these things.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yeah. That's a great point. Well, do we want to uh do we want to draw one card for the next guest? Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Let's let's see a left. Okay. Always shuffle and then pull what's coming up. Okay. Oh, that's so interesting. We just talked about that too. So I have four of swords reverse. And in the upright, it is ruled by Jupiter and Libra, which is kind of finding that Jupiter expansion through balance and recalibration. So with the reversal, I feel like we may be tested with exactly what we were talking about, like a lot of outside noise. And when I say outside, that can be like um other other people, things we're seeing in social media, things that are happening on the world stage. But I also think it can be our past self of like, oh my goodness, like, is this gonna happen again? Is like looking at something and trying to, you know, our ego human mind make sense of what I have experienced in the past. So, really in Four of Swords Reverse, I think that I mean, and I would love your take on this too, because you also read Tarot, but um, with that kind of like the answer being Jupiter and Libra, like, where can we come back to calibration and where can we kind of come home to ourselves and tune out or like filter out some of the things that are not necessary in the now moment?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah. I mean, humans are we're pattern recognizing creatures. We're we're toolmakers, but we're also pattern recognizing. And that can be a great thing up to a point, and then past a point, it can dip into schizophrenia and paranoia and recognizing too many patterns and too many similarities and feeling trapped in cycles. And part of astrology and tarot and and any kind of any kind of work where we are psychologically engaging with other people is is about recognizing patterns, but it's also about how do we make it, it's not a it's not a circle, it's a spiral. We're we're moving upwards with every cycle and we're we're learning things and we're taking things away from the past. So it's about like recognizing that past and going, okay, I see that I've been there before, but what can I take away and move forward and upward and and help others? I mean, that's I think the thing, especially that uh that comes out of a Saturn return or any kind of like dark night of the soul. And we can help others and become more empathetic and like not just like, oh, thank God I've gotten past that. It's not me anymore, but like, you know, recognizing that inevitably knowing when you can reach out and help others because you've actually been there.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

I love that. And I think that's definitely what you do with your work and with your podcast. And I think that's one of the things to remember when it feels like we're in the eye of the storm of a lot of times. We may individually feel like we're going through like the battlefield on the front lines, but it's often so that we can help those that are gonna go in the through and through that battle after us because we then have different perspectives and lenses and tools that we can, you know, give to and provide to others that may be moving through it at a later date.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, I could talk to you forever, and I would love to actually talk to you again. Yeah. Let's schedule another call in like six months or so. I'm gonna be launching my own podcast sometime this year. Don't know when yet, but uh, but we should definitely connect again. Where can people find you? What do you want people to know about you and what you're sharing with the world right now?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Yeah, um, if at everything, it's really easy if you remember Card Z B C-A-R-D-S-Y-B. Um, it's at Card Z B on Instagram, it's my main platform. I'm on all social media, but that's the one where I'm the most active and where you can kind of get the daily energy updates and tarot reads and um my my website's cardzb.com, which all my offerings are available. So yeah, I would just say anyone that's tapping more into their intuition and is drawn to tarot and astrology as tools to do so. I have um a lot of free content on Instagram and in my newsletters, and then one-on-one sessions depending on what you're moving through and working through.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Amazing. Thank you so much for joining me.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Thank you. Yeah, thank you. This was lovely. Yeah, I'd love to have you on Hex in the City as well. So let's set something up for the future.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

That sounds awesome. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

All right.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

All right, my dear. Well, have a great rest of your week. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

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