226. Mercury and Venus: Left Brain, Right Brain: 🧡 Advanced Natal Astrology

In this episode, Alison and Arwynne discuss the two inferior planets MERCURY and VENUS and their PHASE in their relationship as left brain, right brain signifies in your chart. They explore how you process both words and images, linking thought with impressions.

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

Welcome to the Star Zology Astrology Podcast. I am your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Arwen O'Neill.

SPEAKER_02 0:07

Hello, Alison. It's great to be here.

SPEAKER_05 0:09

So nice to have you once more. So in this time, we're going to be talking about the two um inferior planets, Mercury and Venus. Yeah. And they're called inferior because they're between the Sun and Earth. That's why they're inferior.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_05 0:23

Yeah. And what we're talking about here is going to be something slightly different because we're talking about left brain and right brain.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:31

And that's it, that is a concept that we can talk about a little bit more. But in general, Mercury rules the brain.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Yeah, totally. Communication, the brain, how you think, how you speak.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

All of those things. Whereas Venus doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the brain, but um we're we're we're we're floating some ideas, let's put it that way. Yeah. About what we want to say about um uh Mercury and Venus as a combination within your own chart. Yeah. So let's just get some basics down here. So Mercury rules Gemini and Virgo.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02

And in Gemini, it expresses itself through curiosity, conversation, and the gathering of information. And in Virgo, Mercury becomes more focused and precise, turning its attention to analysis, detail, and practical application. I've always felt that when Mercury's Gemini themed, it's numbers, and when it's uh Virgo themed, it's words. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

And we've talked about Virgo authors, the Cowskemo, editors of the colours.

SPEAKER_05 1:29

Yeah. But the idea is that so Mercury is all about collecting ideas and what you do with them and this sort of thing. So traditionally, Mercury is known as the messenger of the gods because it's the closest planet to the sun. Absolutely. Maybe you could share a little bit about that myth with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Well, for sure. So Mercury was the Roman god, the the messenger god, very uh similar to Hermes in Greek uh Greek mythology. And this is the the messenger of the gods. So meaning that this is the the one with the little we the wings on his ankles. Yes. Yeah. And uh and Mercury would would carry messages from Mount Olympus where the gods were to the humans and back and forth. And also Mercury was one of the few, Mercury or Hermes was one of the few uh deities who could pass into the underworld and back without dying. Because most people, you if unless you're Hades, the god of the underworld, you are not allowed to come and go as you please. I'm not looking. Oh, interesting. Interesting. So exactly. Uh this is the one.

SPEAKER_05 2:31

So we had a message for the devil while he was at it, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Yeah. So he, you know, Hermes or or Mercury could go down to the underworld and and bring a message to Hades or from Hades to Earth or to uh Mount Olympus to the gods and uh and come and go as he pleased because everyone uh you know it's like don't kill the messenger, you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

And there's that store, isn't there? Erl Matz. I mean, you know For sure, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Because a messenger bag is uh is Oh and parcel, no pun and very much pun intended. Uh you always have to have a bag to carry the messages, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:07

Wow, wow, wow. Even when you're running through Africa with the stu with the stuff on a stick, you're still delivering messages.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Carrying things in your head, yeah, you gotta carry it somehow.

SPEAKER_05 3:15

Yeah, yeah, that's great. So some other themes for Mercury are thinking and cognition, which I think cognition is thinking. Maybe I'm making a boo-boo there. Um God heavens. Um, ideas and concepts, writing language and numbers, yeah, buying, selling, and trading, and talking, speaking, and listening. Yeah, these are basic astrological themes for Mercury. Yes. And then if we look at Venus now, Venus rules the two signs of Taurus and Libra. And in Taurus, Venus expresses itself through the physical world, bringing attention to comfort, resources, money, and what you can build and hold on to.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:52

And in Libra, Venus moves into the realm of relationships, balance and connection, highlighting cooperation, harmony, and the art of relating to others.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Partnerships, negotiation.

SPEAKER_05 4:04

Yeah. So Venus is love and money. Right. Yeah, it's one of those. Yeah. And then, of course, astrologically anciently, ancient astrologically wise, it was known as the lesser benefic, the little good planet. Yeah. Because it's kind of a Venus generally is good news. Yeah. You know? And uh greater benefic being Jupiter, of course. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And it represents the principle of attraction rather than effort, yeah. Uh, showing where life can flow more smoothly. And does this come through in the myth as well, would you say?

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Absolutely. So Venus, of course, is the counterpart. Venus is the Roman goddess of love. She's the counterpart to Aphrodite, who's the Greek goddess of love. And they're basically the same goddess. Um, yeah, rules beauty, love, grace, grace.

SPEAKER_05 4:49

And who did the art of her standing in a shell?

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Oh, the Venus. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bonticelli. Bonticelli, it's Venus. Yeah. I was thinking of the Venus Demilo, which is the statue with the arms broken off, but yes, and the head. But uh Boticelli's Venus. Uh, she's the one emerging from the half shell. And she, of course, was born from the severed genitals of her father, who, yeah, it's it's quite a myth. Yeah. So there was a little battle among gods, and um, her yeah, her so was she the fairest of them all?

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Venus? Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Top, top, top billing goddess.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Played uh memorably by Ursula Andress, first uh first Bond girl ever uh in Doctor No. She's the one who emerges from the ocean in the white bikini. Um Risque, wasn't it? Yeah, in 1961, I believe. Yeah, the very first Bond girl. And and she then later on in Clash of the Titans in the 1980s, uh, an okay movie, whatever, but she played Aphrodite or Venus, and uh and then sort of reprising that role of uh the beautiful goddess who emerges from the ocean.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Amazing, amazing, amazing, yeah. Yeah, and a couple more themes regarding Venus's uh money and earning ability, yeah, collections and possessions, love and romance, women and girls, art and tangible creations, and color, beauty, and aesthetics.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:18

So what we're talking about today is that if we consider this business of left brain, right brain, which is slightly complicated, it's all neuroscience, but the idea being that your left brain is where you can do thinking and numbers and so on, mercury stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

And the left brain is specifically le the language center.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

The language center. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

And then if we then consider that on your right brain, you're you are thinking technically in images, colors, and impressions.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

It's holistic thinking. So it's it's more impressions come to you, and there's not there's not a linear line. The left brain is linear, the right brain is more holistic. It's about impressions, it's about senses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:58

Yes, and which tends to relate to Venus, even though Venus doesn't technically have much to do with the brain. But the idea is that if you you've got words on one side, if we're going to be very basic, which is Mercury, and then on the other side you've got impressions and images and colours. Yeah. And that's Venus. Yeah. The artistic colour, the aesthetic that we are perceiving unconsciously when someone's yapping at you, and if they're wearing a pink shirt, you're getting an impression, yeah, and you're memorizing that.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

It's the vibes versus the data.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

Oh, I like that. Let me make a note about that. So the vibes would, of course, be Mercury.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Venus.

SPEAKER_05 7:35

Oh, Mercury.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

And the data, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:38

So data, like in Star Trek, he had to be a Mercury, that data guy.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

For sure. Well, data, yeah, data information. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

Yeah. Yeah. So I've been looking quite a bit into this about how the actual, and I've got some references if you click through to the blog post about the where the neurosciences have come up with since the 60s, they've come up with some certain patterns about left brain, right brain. And it's not clear-cut. Um, and I'm I'm acknowledging that, but what I'm saying is astrologically, how we are perceiving the world through our own brains can relate to our Mercury and Venus placements within our and if you want to just a tiny digression, if you want to go down a deep dive about the right and left brain, yes, in a neuroscientifically accurate way, Jill Boltey Taylor's TED Talk, My Stroke of Insight, or her actual autobiography book, which I've also read, which is fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

But if you want to get the entire encapsulation in 20 minutes, go research her TED Talk, My Stroke of Insight. And it is about an actual neuroscientist who had a stroke and lost the ability to speak and and had to reclaim her identity basically through a long rehabilitation process. But it it it really illustrates the difference between the right and left brain because she she said when when she had this stroke in the left hemisphere of her brain, her right hemisphere was all there was. And it was all like she said she felt like she had expanded to the size of the room. She didn't understand how her her consciousness fit in her body. She said she felt like her hands were like little claws. She she could understand concepts but not language. She was looking at business cards and trying to find the name of her doctor so she could call for help. And all of it was just like colors and images, which is insane. So it's a terrifying but yet also really life-affirming uh bit of information about how the brain works. So if you're interested in that, there's uh recommendation. Yeah, yeah. A little digression. No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 9:38

Yeah. Absolutely. As I say, it's not click cut. I do have some references here about well, I got Huberman and the other um the actual research that gone into this left brain, right brain. We as I say it's not click cut. However, it's something to discuss astrologically because perception is everything.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

And symbols, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

And how we get information in to start with, because if you just learnt astrology because someone's yapping at you, you're only going to know so much. But if they show you the picture, oh that's the reason. Then then it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

100%. I've had so many people say, well, not that many, but a few. Yes. What does that look like when I tell when I tell them about certain things in astrology? And they're like, okay, okay. I I hear I hear you, but what does that actually look like? And I'm like, oh, well, you have to look at the actual chart. Yeah. We're talking in a bar or like on a podcast or whatever, but you have to and you have to look at the chart. Yes. And then you'll know what it looks like.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Yes. Yeah. So the idea is that we we um in your natal chart, if you look at your your Venus, Mercury, not only their placement by sign and house, you want to, is there an aspect? Yes, we want to know all that stuff. And then the the next thing we're actually looking at is to discover if there's a phase between the two. But the point is that wherever your Venus and Mercury are, when they were last conjoined prior to your birth, is the beginning of their synodic cycle for you. And that chart will tell you at the position that was, whatever sign of degree that was, that will, and the aspects to it, that will tell you more about how this thinking process continues. So even so there's like a couple of steps to this. You want to look at your native chart and say, well, my Venus is here, my Mercury's there, and we want to know about phase. So first we're gonna look at what is a phase. Where's your Mercury? Right. Where's your Venus? Let's get some basic stuff to start with. Because we are always let's use me as an example. Yeah, as we as we go. So the Mercury position.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

My Mercury is in Virgo, it's in the 10th house. So it's well placed. I would think, yeah. Yeah, Mercury rules my life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:48

Mercury rules it well, right there. So there's talk about emphasis there. Yeah. What about Venus?

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Venus is in the 11th house in Libra. So it is also very well placed.

SPEAKER_05 11:58

It is, and when we did dispositories, we discovered that you had the two, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02 12:01

They're divided, they're neck and neck.

SPEAKER_05 12:03

They're neck and neck.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

And they are because it's too independent, they're too separate. Two trains, two, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:10

Yes. So I've got left brain, right brain uh in a constant battle over or are they happy with you're appreciating both you it's not just what someone's saying to you, it's it's how they're saying it. And what the what's the what the what color's that tie in? Have they got an X stay now? Because that is distracting you.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

You're telling me about this thing, but I'm just staring at your nails because they're fabulous.

SPEAKER_05 12:32

Yes. Or there's a there's a dog walking behind, and you've got all this imagery coming at you. Story of my life. Yeah, yeah. So that's fine. So is there an aspect between your Mercury and Venus? I don't think so. No. But um, we would then on our next step at this point would be to then, well, there's two ways to do it. You could I go back to the the beginning of the synodic cycle before you were born. If you were in astrology, you would calculate that back. We're not gonna do that today. That sounds complicated. Does it? Doesn't everything about astrology sound complicated?

SPEAKER_02 13:08

I bet our listeners are thinking that sounds complicated. Um I'm the voice of the listener.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

Am I the only one who does this? Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

I think you might be.

SPEAKER_05 13:16

I might be, but there you go. This is how the this is how it thinks. This is how it might it's going. This is how I explore astrology.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

It's not just I love it.

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Yeah, it's not just, you know, Mars in the second, Mars in the third. Get beyond that, guys. Yeah, yeah. So, anyway, so that would be one way of doing it. The other way is to look at the phase. And we did recently speak about this about Jupiter and Saturn.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Yeah, go listen to that podcast because we go into great death about how phases work. We're gonna give you a little information about that in this episode.

SPEAKER_05 13:44

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:45

So when we're talking about phase, we're talking about a phase between two planets. And it generally the phase we know about is the sun-moon phase, but we are now going to be looking at the phase that is existing within your chart between Mercury and Venus.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

And there are eight phases.

SPEAKER_05 13:59

There are eight phases. However, Mercury and Venus can only form four of them.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

There are four phases then.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

No, you stick with me, Arwen.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Totally with you.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

Oh, brother.

SPEAKER_05 14:13

Okay, so um, let's just have a look at this. So if we took there's a you can click through to the blog post, and there's going to be a handy-dandy phase calculator PDF.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Definitely download and print this. I highly recommend this. This is a game changer for finding out the phase. You print it out and then you lay it physically over the chart. It doesn't have to be a printed chart. You can actually just put the chart up on your screen, on your laptop, whatever, and then hold this little calculator over it and put the little slow tab over the slower moving planet. And in this case, that would be Venus.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

Always.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Because Venus is outside of the of Mercury in the solar system. The only place where that gets a little dodgy and confusing is the sun and the moon, but we're not talking about that right now. We're talking about planets. Venus is outside of Mercury, that means it's moving slower.

SPEAKER_05 15:03

Yes. So if we did this to um to your chart, do we can you can you give us a stab in the dark about what your phase is?

SPEAKER_02 15:12

I think it's balsamic.

SPEAKER_05 15:14

Okay, sounds good to me.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:16

Okay. So let's just go through these phases. Uh, Mercury and Venus, Mercury. Let's just go through these phases. Mercury and Venus can only make four phases. So you've got two waxing and two waning. It's because they're close together. That's why they can only do this. Absolutely.

unknown 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:30

So the idea is that Mercury tends to dominate the waxing phases and uh Venus dominates the uh waning phases. So the new phase begins when Mercury and Venus come together at a conjunction. It marks the start of the new cycle between the mind and the heart. Um, fresh ideas about relationships, money, creativity, and personal preferences can emerge. There is a sense of beginning again, although direction may not be fully clear. So that would be an example chart. I have that is for Gary Vaynichuk, if you know who he is. There's a link on the website because I did do his chart a couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 16:05

Yeah, well, really. Anyway, moving on. And then we have um the crescent phase. Yeah. So as Mercury moves ahead of Venus, the connection begins to grow. This is a time of exploration and adjustment. You may start to test new ideas about what you like, how you communicate, and what feels worthwhile. Effort is needed to build confidence and give shape to this emerging values. Because if we talk about the plant cycle, which we'll do in a moment, um you'll see that that's the balsamic phase. So an example chart I have for that is we did a chart for someone called Bella Boom, who was one of our listeners, and she has the crescent phase between Mercury and Venus.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

So my mother has that too.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

Oh, she does. Okay. Yeah, we don't have her chart on the on the we must get her on. You've got to get interpreted. So that would be an example of the crescent phase between Mercury and Venus. Yeah. And then the waning phases. So there's only two. And um, the last quarter phase is the first phase here. So here tension can arise between what you think and what you feel. You may question your choices or reassess how you relate to others. And this phase encourages reflection and changes. It's the time to let go of outdated patterns in communication or values that no longer fit your current situation.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

So we I don't have any examples for last quarter phase.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

One of my friends.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Okay, and one of your well, I'm sure a quarter of the population will have those, but yeah. And then we get to the interestingly uh balsanic phase.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Um we say interestingly because it's both you, me, and uh a bunch of people, your niece and our super fan both.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is the closing phase part of the cycle, just before Mercury and Venus meet at the conjunction. Again, now there is a sense of complete completion and release. Old ideas about love, money, and self-worth may fade, making space for something new to form. So um it it is a quiet, more reflective time where insight typically comes through letting go rather than than them pushing forward. So I do have an example there. I've put a link now on the blog post. There's a link through to the interpretation we did for Bosechart. He's got balsamic phase between Mercury and Venus. There is a link through to Maxi, she has a balsamic phase between Mercury and Venus, and there's a link through to Super Jupee, which is yeah, my sister. Yeah. And um I've got her chart there to actually show you what we're talking about. Oh, yeah. That Mercury and Venus are Mercury is moving towards Venus because Mercury's faster moving, and it's moving towards to make that conjection again at some point in the future after she was born.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:44

So that's why it's balsamic. I'm also noting here that she's got Venus in Pisces, which is Venus is exalted, exalted. Right. And in your chart, remember, both are in dignity and rulership, they are both pretty strong.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Right.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

Because if we wanted to do an assessment in your chart, for example, that is Mercury stronger than Venus, what do we have a conclusion or are we saying they're neck and neck?

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Well, they're sort of neck and neck, but I think we decided that Mercury was stronger because it rules my sun, Mercury, and Moon. Right. Okay. Which just sort of uh outweighs the the Venus because Yes.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Yeah. And yet if we look in your life, yeah, they're pretty neck and neck, aren't they?

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Pretty neck and neck.

SPEAKER_05 19:26

Because you work as a writer and you you produce God knows how many words a week. And I also create art and I'm also at a great level.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Tiny bit obsessed with beauty and fashion and fun and and cosplay and decorating my apartment and yeah dancing dressing up and roller skipping and doing some dancing shit.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

You don't just write, and that's how you express yourself. Right. You have a whole thing going on.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

I'm not just writing by day and then going home and cuddling up on the couch and watching.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

So I do think they're neck-and-neck for you. As I say, we did pull that from the dispository because they're both top.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:04

And in a way, that's handy dandy for you, Arwen, because you can tap into both. Yeah. Um probably when your impressions that go into there I say when things go into your head, yeah, you're getting uh you're getting an equal dose of both. Right. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:19

You know?

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

It's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 20:22

Yeah, yeah. Now in my chart, I've got uh Mercury's in Leo and um so another here nor there, but it's conjured in the ascendant, and Venus is in Virgo, so it's in its fall, so it's not that well placed, yeah. But uh Mercury dominates, so I do tend to I read, I listen, yeah, and I um can remember what you told me uh a while ago. Yeah. Um I don't forget things, and people are surprised saying, Oh, I'm surprised you remember that. I told you 10 years ago. I said, Well, yes, why would I forget it? Right. But anyway, and um recently when I had a problem with the ambulance, and an ambulance had to come and pick me up, and the guy said to me, My name's Peter, blah, blah, blah, this and that. And then at the end he said to me, Can you remember what my name was? Because he thought I had a brain injury. I said, It's Peter. He said, Yes, you're doing well. And I thought, yeah, because I listened to all the trivia. Yeah. The trivia teen so vogue.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

That is so interesting. And uh just teeny digression. We talked recently about my trip to Mexico. Yeah. If you're interested in that, you can go to my blog, Ms.Pink.net, and check out my murals of Mexico post, where I I was obsessed. We were there for a week. I had never been visited Mexico before. We went to Playa Carmen, which is an amazingly beautiful uh city, and very touristy, but also like very, very authentic and wonderful. And and we just walked forever and spent a ton of sun in the sun. But I was obsessed with documenting the murals and taking pictures of this incredible art, the street art of Venus. Venus. But also simultaneous to that, in addition to being obsessed with the art and also beautifying myself in the in the form of like being you know in the sun and tent. Constantly because I I I do love a tan, uh, was was just reconnecting with the language because I studied Spanish literally only two years in high school, have not ever been to a Spanish speaking country since then, but it it came back to me in just in a flood. It was so funny how I was able to just in a tiny and I kept saying, Oh, you know, people would I would I would walk into a store and they'd be like, uh habla español, do you speak Spanish? And I was able to paquito, but then I would be able to actually have a kind of conversation and because you could tap straight into that left brain mostly. 100%, yeah, and just remember somehow just enough to have like great conversations with people and actually surprise them with how much I could understand. This one guy, uh, this guy had a taco stand and he had a his wife was there with his small child, and I said, Oh, muy linda, just very pretty. And he's oh grass, grass ears. Um, you know, uh, do you have children? Uh Tienes hijos. And I said, No, uh, dos gatos, only two cats. And he says, Oh, no, no, Tieres Hijos. And uh, said, No, you know, which means do you don't want children? And I said, No, no, I don't want children. And my friend is looking at me like, How are you having this? What is you know? And you're digging into a memory bank.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

Yeah, yeah, from 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Yeah, by the end of the week, my friend was like, Can you translate for me? And I'm like, you know, we walk into a store, like, how much is Quantoquest? How much is this? You know, she wants it for her daughter, you know, par parsu iha, you know, and they're like, Oh, kidos Años says Sumiha. And I'm like, Oh, she's 15, etc. Yeah, but it was just the Venus Mercury thing, it was very much in play.

SPEAKER_05 23:36

I saw that when I when I saw your um your article, your beautifully written article with uh exquisite writing, and then the murals, and I thought, go our way. A mural culture.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I do, and and Vancouver does. I mean, to be fair, we do, we do. East Van, they have we have a mural fest, and it's coming along. It's coming along. We do have public art, but yeah, it's just such a wonderful way to and it's AI can't replace that ever. There's no, you know, murals by AI, you know. Oh no, no, of course not. No, what is it? Yeah, and it's just wonderful. Yeah. So Venus and Mercury.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

So because they're so we here's a here's what I'm trying to get to is that because Mercury and Venus are so prominent as planets within your chart, yeah, you are tapping into both of these energies in a big way. In a balance. Whereas the guy standing next to you is not maybe he's just all Mercury.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

He's an engineer, he's all Mercury, he does not understand when his when his wife says, his wife says, like, I want to get my nails done, do you like this one or that one? He's like, I don't why are they so long and pointy? I don't get it. What's going on? Yes, I don't understand why you do that. And she's like, oh, you know.

SPEAKER_05 24:50

Well, it's like when you get your hair done and they say, What and you say, What do you think about my hair? What is it? What happened? Did you just change it?

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 24:58

So that's the thing, whereas things like art aesthetic colour and design and structure of clutter on the wall. I know what I'm talking about. It it you either see it and appreciate it, and it's often subconscious because it goes straight in, right? Or you you you're oblivious to these things because your Venus is so and not a planet you're using.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Right. And sometimes if you if your Venus is stronger than your Mercury, you may just have impressions of things and get be be put off by things and not know why, not be able to articulate why. Because Mercury isn't strong enough for you to actually be able to say, Oh, I don't like this because this color flashes with this, or this is on, you know, this is all of the furniture is placed too low, I feel uncomfortable, I walk in and I can't relate to it, or you know, everyone's wearing weird things and I don't feel whatever. But you you can't explain it. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

And then you feel it though. You see it too, I think, in people's dress style. Yeah, weakness comes through, and I see it particularly in you. I mean, you're always beautifully uh put together in your own unique style, it's not stuff I would wear.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

I'm wearing like a t-shirt and jeans right now, but thank you.

SPEAKER_05 26:09

But it's the Miss Pink vibe.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 26:11

It's a t-shirt, yeah, you know, um yeah, and that too comes through that that is a conscious choice, yeah. And I'm sure your wardrobe palette is clearly entirely different to mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not that we're the same person, but because your your Venus is prominent, you are able to work with design concepts and colour as well as words, which is honestly a good thing. And these are just two planets we happen to be hitting on. We did speak about other planets last week, but they're not hitting as high for you as these two are. That's what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

And also, I mean, these are like the inner planets. Yeah, we've got you know, the sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars. And obviously those and the moon. But but these are the inner planets, and so they're obviously going to be a little bit more powerful in everyone's chart. I don't think in we talked about um Jupiter and Saturn in a previous podcast, in their phase. Those are obviously gonna be powerful, clearly. Yes, but but these the inner planets are are much more about your personality versus they're not a generational feel, they're like very specific to you. So these are the ones that you're actually gonna be like, you're feeling that in your personality. When someone describes your Venus or your Mercury placement, you're you're no doubt you're gonna be like, Oh, yeah, that's why I have a you know learning disability. I or like that's why I can't walk into a room where there's clashing colors and I can't even concentrate if if something is off visually.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

Yes, you know, yes, and then you know why. Yeah, and it no, and it also shows what you talk about that you're not short of conversation.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

You know, when you're talking about movies or whatever, are you talking about the plot or are you talking about the cinematography? Yeah, or the or some TV show, like let's say Breaking Bad, like that very great balance of beauty and and the cinematography of of the Southwest, the American Southwest, Santa Fe and and New Mexico, or you know, the brilliant dialogue. So it's very well balanced that particular show. There's other shows where it's it's all visual and the dialogue is you know a little dodgy, whatever. Or or maybe it's all dialogue, but yet visually boring. Uh the the movie Heat comes to mind, Michael Mann's you know, movie, visually not that great, not that interesting, but the dialogue sparkling, you know?

SPEAKER_05 28:23

And you you are aware of this.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Yes, constantly.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

And the reason is because sure Venus and Mercury are prominent within your chart. So obviously you're leaning in and using it, right? Yeah. Whereas others do not do that.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

That's what I'm saying. I don't know where um some other example charts, what you have, perhaps some uh people in within your family and so on. Uh, personally, I find that the Mercury for me is is is dominant because it's it's more prominently placed in my chart, yeah. And it's reading, writing, and I have, as you know, published books and I've got 42 books now on Amazon. Can you believe it? No, I can't either. But I also have a writ wrote and illustrated a children's book, and that's also available. And I'm thinking, how did I even do these things? But it's just because the urge is there to create the thing together. But Venus is not as prominent as the Mercury, yeah, yeah. And um, and that's shown by the placement of the planet within the sign. So to our listeners, yeah, you need to assess which is more prominent for you between Mercury and Venus, because we're we're getting deep into advanced natal strategy now to say what should you be leaning towards? Because we're not all the same.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Right. It's like it's like that uh that corporate thing of like you know, lean into your strengths. Yeah. You have to know your strengths first.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Exactly. Yeah, and that's the thing, and also if you're doing consultations and people saying, Yeah, I need to do this and that, you need to be able to make an assessment about these planets.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

You can't be good at everything. No, no, I mean, I I personally recommend being uh, you know, a general generalist. Try to understand a little bit about everything, but you can't be an expert at everything. No, and it's good to know what you are naturally inclined to be good at because then you can lean into those things. It's good to know a bit about everything, but lean into what you're naturally uh accustomed to or naturally have a proclivity for being.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

Proclivities for, yes, indeed. And typically, if you got uh Mercury or Venus as your chart ruler, i.e. they rule the sign on the ascendant, that is a clear indicator of which one is more likely to be prominent, and you want to lean into your strengths, and that would be which are your strong planets, yeah, and what phase are they in, and therefore, how are you likely to best use this energy in your own birth chart?

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Totally. Well, here's an here's an interesting example if you're trying to figure out which is stronger, and if you uh haven't done the dispositor tree thing yet, if you haven't, oh my god, go to the uh numbers at the bottom of the show and figure that out. But my partner um famously is a Scorpio. He has um Venus in Virgo, which is in its detriment. Fall fall, excuse me. Of course, it's the fall, exactly. Um, but yet he also has uh Libra rising. So and and and Mercury in the first house. So Mercury is strong because it's in the first house in Scorpio, and he also has that that Libra rising.

SPEAKER_05 31:21

So it's it's they're a little bit balanced in that sense, even though he does he does he's that Mercury first house comes through as soon as you see him.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 31:30

Yeah, as I said before, he's always got the questions of this and that, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

He's always got the data, he's always following along. He's he knows, you know, about everything and he loves to be very authoritative about stuff. He's got the at the YouTube channels about the you know nutrition and the stock market and well, of course, hockey. Data, data, data, data, data.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Who won who won the 1969 baseball? The politics and stuff, which I love absolutely to know about this stuff, but then yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

And then but and so you would think that he would be farther, you know, very mercurial between the two. But then there's that leaper arising. And it's like, you know, he's the one person I know I can actually I can actually ask him legit, does this look bad on me? Am I is this flattering and human?

SPEAKER_05 32:17

Do these pants make me look fat?

SPEAKER_02 32:18

100%. And he will not say fat, but he will be like, no, that's not flattering. Like, no, that color, no.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

He could see aesthetics, yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Yeah, and he'll be like, Why are you wearing that color with that? No, yeah. That's not good. Yes, no, I stop wearing that waistline. Why do you do that? It makes you look pregnant and you're not you're not overweight. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 32:38

I know my father, my mother finally decided that he he he he couldn't he just put things on that were in the drawer, and she eventually got to the point where she only had he only had blue things and black things.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Well, he probably had some colorblindness. Probably, we didn't even know. Like exactly 11% of men are colorblind, red, red, green, colorblind.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Well, she got rid of all the greys and browns and wouldn't let him wear them.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Fair. That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 33:04

So uh yeah. So if we look at Superdupe, which we're gonna talk about because we got it right here in front of us, Venus in Pisces is in exaltation, it is uh very concerned with aesthetics. Yeah, and I know she trained as an aesthetician back in the day, and is always beautifully uh brought together pull together. That is you never see a hair in the never see a place. Whereas that Mercury in Aquarius is not necessarily so. There's a lot of um fragmentation and bits of information all over the place, not necessarily cohesive, but the Venus would probably dominate in her particular chart. I'm just saying. So get back to me, super dupey, if that's if you don't see it that way. Additionally, we also want to pay attention to is Mercury or Venus one of the morning planets? We have done an episode on that. Go and check that out and could and consider that too. You want to look at the main planetary complexes too. Yeah. So, anyway. Okay, so we've been talking about Mercury and Venus and how left brain, right brain may be related to your Venus and Mercury placement within your chart. Now, these are just some ideas we've had. Yeah, um, it's not necessarily mainstream astrology, but it's this is the point about astrology is that you need to think about the chart and think about how else can your chart be represented in your life.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Yeah, and it's a metaphorical language. I mean, we know the brain hemispheres are a real thing, yes. The planets are a real thing, we know personality types are a real thing. We know there are some people who are more cerebral than they are aesthetic, and vice versa. Yes. And then some people are both, and some people are neither.

SPEAKER_05 34:36

And yeah, yeah, and a lot of it can come back to your Mercury-Venus combination. And again, this is not one of the first things you're going to look at in a chart, but it's something that you would want to uh consider, which I do, and clearly Arwen does, which and you want to the idea is to, if you want to understand someone's chart, it's you've got to go past, you know, as I said, like you know, Saturn in the first house, Saturn in the second house. Yes, you need to know that, but from there, you have to start thinking about how else can this chart be interpreted. And even though astrology was most of the rules were set down 2,000 years ago, and recently there have been a lot of there's been a lot of inroads into astrology, it doesn't mean that you are not the person who can have a whole new idea about how these planets are working or how the chart is. And that's what I'm encouraging. And we like to, as we like to say, that we want to keep the conversation going. So our dream is that when you listen to our podcast, you've got something to mull over during the week and even think about later and consider maybe what about this? What about that? And maybe you get an idea about doing something different with a chart and saying, let me explore that further. Don't think the rules are set in concrete and nothing new can be learned. Absolutely. That's what I want to say.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Don't assume everything has been discovered or explained.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because new things are coming up all the time and new ways of interpreting. And you would interpret a chart the way you do, I do it my way, Arwen does it her way. Yeah. Okay, great. So if you have found value in this episode, please do consider sharing it with anybody who would be interested. Make sure to give us a like and a five-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Spotify. Uh, make sure you're getting our newsletter and that comes out every Sunday. And you can sign up at starzour.com forward stroke newsletter.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

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SPEAKER_05 36:30

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SPEAKER_04 36:31

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SPEAKER_05 36:37

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