232. Mars and Motivation: 🧡 Advanced Natal Astrology

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Star Zoology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Arwen O'Neill.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

Hello, Alison. It's great to be here again.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

So nice to have you once more. And in this episode, we're going to be talking about the planet Mars and motivation. Yes. So each of the planets has has themes associated with them, and we're good this time we're going to be looking at Mars in particular and really just zooming in on one of the features, one of the themes that Mars has. It does have other meanings, but a lot of the time motivation is one of those drivers that gets you to do things. Yeah. So in that way, I think it's an interesting thing to see where your Mars is and how it may, how you may motivate yourself and how you can start.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yeah. Based on your Mars. Yeah, exactly. I love that because we have, I believe, talked about Mars as a relationship planet, like Venus, but Mars also has this wonderful capability of really describing how you are motivated to action in your work and in your life and physical activity. And that's a whole different spectrum of influence than the traditional sort of how you you know go after the love interest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

And it's um it's an interesting planet because the phrase I like to use is it gets you off the couch or not. And um, it depends where your where your Mars is. We're gonna talk about we've got some ideas, we're gonna talk about that in a moment. Um, the type of thing that's going to get you moving. Yeah, because not every um person moves forward with the same um prompting. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

I think we can all agree that we've worked with or have people in our families or no friends who barely seem to have anything motivating them at all. Yes. And you're like, how do you even function? Yes. What is happening here?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Yeah, what will get you to get to get up the couch, go out and have this conversation? And it has to be something to do with whatever the topic's going to be or who you're going to meet, um that's going to say interest you to say, let's go to that thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Whereas if someone, I don't know, I I don't know what I wouldn't go to. Well, I suppose there are lots of things, but you know, when when I saw that there was that particular um some art gallery down in town, and I wanted to go down, Banksy was here, and I got off my chair and I went down there.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

But other people would not necessarily um find that movement. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

And I've I know I've talked about my my best friend who is a Taurus. Yes. I have Mars in Taurus. So her son is conjunct my Mars. And she the one of the things that we love about each other is that we have this let's do it friendship. We have this friendship where she can recommend something or I can recommend something, and it's just like, yeah, let's go, let's do it. We have we we do physical activities together, we like to go dancing, we like to roller skate together. I roller skate, she roller blades, we've done kickboxing together. Wow, yeah, wow, and she's definitely motivated me um to be more active. And uh yeah, we've gone vacations together. We're great, you know, we make a great team vacation. It's amazing. Going to concerts together.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yeah. Yeah. So it's as though your maybe even your energy levels are the same for certain activities. Yeah. And I mean, this is why we all we join groups of whoever, right? Or you're the photography group or the the Makano group or something.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Right, or a team if you are, you know, interested in sports or whatever, or if you're you know, archery or you know, yeah, hockey, even hockey, absolutely, yeah. Any kind of sports for sure would definitely you'd want to look at your Mars placement and be like, Am I attracted to solo sports or or team sports? Am I someone who is attracted to, you know, maybe doing boxing or something like that where it's more of a I mean it's a martial art, but it's more yes, it's really more of a an individual thing because you don't necessarily I mean, there's no boxing team, you know. You just Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Or or you know, are you someone who wants to be on a team and and that's your whole motivation motivation is the social aspect of it. And there's you know, competition, but that's kind of uh yeah, just a a subcategory of uh of being on a team.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Yeah, yeah. What is your appetite for competition to to to go and do something about it?

SPEAKER_04 4:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

To go and get whatever it is, your your is is in your sights, right? Or you want to learn more or something or other.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Yeah, for me, that's never it. It's not it's it's never comp competitiveness when uh when I do any kind of uh active thing. It's I'm I mean, get me on a trivia night and uh you'll see my competitive side come out, but uh in feverishly. But uh, but yeah, if if I'm like, you know, racing someone somewhere or God forbid, I yeah, I'm not physically competitive.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

No, no, no, no, at all. But there's a lot of talk online these days about productivity filling your day, yeah, having a morning routine, an evening routine, doing things, this and that.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Maximizing this or that potential.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Yeah, and don't let don't let a second pass by in your diary that's not filled with something to do.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

They even have sleep maxing, which is just ridiculous. Just the word. It's in it sounds like an oxymoron, but yeah, it's just maximizing your you know, getting the best sleep possible.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Like oh gosh, well, that's a new one on me.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

I mean the fitness bro, like yeah, yeah, exactly. Infiltrated everything, even sleep.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Oh okay, or the personal uh best on on lifting something or other, you know?

SPEAKER_02 5:37

For sure. Yeah, those apps and stuff where you input all the I mean, I understand it. As a Virgo, I get it, but like the last thing I want to do when I'm working out is like be consulting my phone every six seconds and telling it how many reps I did.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

And yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

If someone asked me, like, well, how do you remember? And I'm like, I remember. How do I remember? I just I remember what I did. Like, really? Yeah. Um yeah, but no, I mean that's for some people that accountability is a super important part of it. And that probably can be seen in their Mars placement as well. Or the condition of their Mars. Like, do you need an accountability buddy or do you need to, you know, be tracking everything on the apps to if it's if you drink didn't track it, it didn't happen, right? Right. Like, are you disappointed if you have a really active day and then you realize that you're you know your fit bit battery has died and it's not the horror, right? You you probably got like 25,000 steps, but like it didn't happen because it's not counted.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Yes, yeah. That step thing's interesting because um I last year I got a pedometer because I started walking. I mean, who who who the heck? And um I was measuring my every every step I took. Yeah. And at the end of like, I don't know, three weeks, I'm thinking, I've got these numbers. I'm thinking, well, so what? You know, yeah. But in that way, when you're monitoring yourself, you're competing against yourself, your yesterday, your previous you. Totally. And what is what is next month's you gonna how many steps will you do then? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

And I mean, I say this, and I'm making fun of it, but I did have a Fitbit for a while. Yeah, and like for a few years, actually, two, three years, and they all they all died because of some sort of moisture situation. The first one, it said it was waterproof, it was not. Um, and then the second one I was like more much more careful, but it you know, eventually, and then I was like, you know what, I've internalized this. I it took two years, but I literally was a fanatic about it. If I was uh nearing a round number for steps and I hadn't achieved it yet, I would literally pace around the couch. Oh my god, Roger thought I was lost my mind, right? And I was I was putting in like all the meals I had, like all the food, the carb, the macro trackers and things. Oh my god, it was so annoying because I was I think I was using like a little bit of an older version as well. This is like you know, a little over five years ago. And whatever version I had, but like it was not super robust in terms of like the calorie that you couldn't find, like, oh, like I had a spinach salad with you know cranberries and all the other things. I literally, at like the worst of the worst moment was me taking all the ingredients out of a salad I had bought at the store, like a pre-made salad, and like measuring all of the nuts that were in it, how many like blueberries were in it, how many like slices, just wow so that I knew how much you know calories the salad was, which is insane.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Um people do, and there's a whole industry around it.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Incredibly, incredibly robust. Yes. So we're not saying that it's insane if you do this. I'm saying for me, felt that felt insane. And yeah, I mean, obviously I care what I eat, I care how active I am, but that level of uh of attention to it is is not what motivates me. Right, you know, it was a good it was a good way to get back into because I was super active in you know high school and and at different stages of my life and for uh quite a while. I think we've mentioned on the podcast, I was very sedentary and very couch-bound, and uh worked from home and played video games and did not uh go to the gym or outside really at all.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Well, no, if I look back to my parents' generation, they they they never stepped in a gym in their life, there weren't gyms to go to.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Yeah, when we first moved into this building, they told us that the gym, you know, it's on the mezzanine. And we were like, yeah, cool, we don't want to see it. Like, we don't care, we're not gonna use it.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

But now I do. You see, and um the the motivation to get up and go and do that is is driven by the Mars placement.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

And and like fun fact about Mars and Taurus, it is very much about my appearance. It is not it is, I mean, yeah, it's because quote unquote health, I yes, want to be strong, I want to be healthy, etc. etc. But is it about how my abs look? Is it about how my exactly you know proportions fit into clothes that I want to wear and how I want to see myself? 100%.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Okay. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

So I feel like that's a very Torian approach. Yes, yes, the physical outcome of it. It is, you know, it is not, I I don't exercise to gain, you know, like a competitive edge, or you know, I'm not gonna join any tour team sport things. I if I box, it is I a punching bag, it is you know, for exercise, it is so that I have better arms. Um a better physique. Yes, better physique. Visually appealing arms. Yeah, it is not because I want to win or because I need to beat the stuffing out of something to get my aggressions out. No, it is definitely not that. But for many people, that is the it is, it is.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

And I think you were saying to me, someone was saying to you that what is it, health is life or something.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Yes, my partner who has Martin Leo. Okay, yes, fitness is life. It and it it is true, actually, because fitness, meaning like Darwinian fitness is the survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest. If you have no interest in fitness, because I made fun of him at some point before I became and I called him fitness boy, and he was like, fitness is life, and I'm like, oh yeah, okay. I guess so. Yeah, that's that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

But definitely, I mean, the last, I don't know, 20 years, there's definitely been a shift towards getting fitter or um more, you know, what the the 60s, the new 40 or something, they say this sort of thing. And the idea is that you want to maintain your level of physical fitness um to so that your final years are not just on a yes, you're not creeping around.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Not just increasing the lifespan, but increasing the health span. Yes. So that we're not living until we're, let's say, 60, and then having the next 20 years be just a sad decline into senescence and uh not being able to do the things you want to do.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Yes. Well, when I think back to my grandmother, who was probably 60 when I I remember her, she was she would shuffle along and she had a little stick and a little basket, and she'd just shuffle along and and that was it. There was no and she'd only go up the stairs if she had to. Right. Because we lived in an upstairs, downstairs house. Um, but no one at that age now is everyone's way fitter, and we're all um moving, which is Mars, and we are being motivated to um live a better life. Yeah, and we also know that Mars rules blood, right? The red blood, the and to get that pumping and flowing and flushing your systems and all of these things, and they say with Mars, it's break a sweat. Yeah, then you know you've engaged your Mars.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Yes, totally. Yeah, get the blood flowing. I love that. That is absolutely Mars. Yeah, that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Because we can all just do we we can walk 10,000 steps and still not break a sweat. Much so.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

But that is very true.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, but 20 minutes on a treadmill, a five percent incline, and you you're gonna be eventually up the stairs like I like to do.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Well, this is it. Yeah, yeah. That was the gateway fitness drug for me. It was uh yeah. And um I mean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

I saw you the other morning in the elevator and um in all your fitness kit.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Yep, I guess I take the elevator down and then I do the stairs uh up. I did 24.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

And I don't know how many how many times you've done it by the time I saw you.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah, I I was I was already sweaty, so I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

But I You'd at least done it once or twice.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, I think that that might have been because it was morning, right? Yeah, so I would have gone to the gym because now I'm doing the gym for an hour and then I do the stairs three times up, because going down the stairs is is bad for your knees and doesn't count. And it's fine, but you know, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't count.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yeah, and when when I got in the elevator, you you were a bit a little puffed and you said to me stairs. And I thought fine. And I had to say coffee because I was going down to get some coffee and I thought, like, such a loser.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

No, no, coffee's important.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Um, that was it because yeah. Yeah, you have to have have my coffee afterwards because yeah. Of course you do, of course you do. Yeah, but the actual motivation to get up and go and do that thing that you're doing is entirely different to what my motivation is to get me out of bed early or get up and go do something. Yeah, and um this is really what we're sort of gonna be having a look at why what how the how your motivation is different depending on your Mars placement, we are not all the same.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

And um it does it does depend uh where Mars is and uh how it's engaged with aspects. And we're gonna talk about a couple of those things. I've got some ideas I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yeah, and when we say where, we don't just mean the sign it's in, we mean the house it's in, the placements that it makes, the the aspects it makes, and yeah, those things.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

The full thing because my Mars, well, my Mars is in Virgo, but and it it's not necessarily gonna be the same as your Mars in Virgo, but because of all of those.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Oh, my Mars and Taurus, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah, yeah. So the idea is that um um and you can click through if you're listening on um Spotify, Apple, Buzz Sprout, wherever you are. If you're listening, or if you're if you're listening on YouTube, you can click through to the blog post where there's all the details about what we're talking about here as well, and some more stuff as well. So, you know, the idea is that um what we're getting to is that Mars is the planet that gets you to do things that interest you because it's in your chart, and it's also to do with the actual movement of your body, that you that you get out of the darn chair and you go and do something.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

So that this is what we're looking at. So it's also an a part of what we said of exercise and the physical expression that you have, and what what sort of exercise you do, if any, because sometimes you know doctors will say to me, and what exercise do you do, Alison? I'd say, nothing yet. And you know, and it you it's now turned into a thing where that's an unacceptable answer in 2026. And um, so now I because I'm now started this January lifting free weights, yeah, I can say I am now lifting free weights. And uh last week I was actually on the bench press for the first time in my life. I touched I touched the damn thing.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

I didn't even know what it was called or how it was, but this is what we're living in. We're living in a in an age where you need to be as fit as you can to your full potential. Yeah, live to your full potential, let that life blood feed and and supply your body and get it all get it all together.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Yeah, and it's it's funny because if you if you are not interested in what the tech bros have to say about this or that fitness, you know, apps and and the whole culture of fitness, because that I I 100% agree can be nauseating and uh overwhelming and intimidating and not cool and you know, not doesn't sound fun in many ways for many of us, but uh we are the most sedentary we've ever been, like as a species. We didn't evolve to sit at desks, to sit on the couch, to sit, you know, like 16 hours a day. We didn't evolve that way. We evolved to graze and and be active and you know, kind of forage for food and hunt for food and uh yeah, this is it up until very, very recently. Our unless we were part of an incredibly wealthy elite, which was like the 0.001%, who were still probably pretty physically active because if you think about just how you know houses were constructed, you you didn't have elevators, you didn't have no cars, you had to probably walk a lot more, even just being royalty back in the day than now, but then than even like the like lowest person on the total pool now. And you actually really have to go out of your way to be motivated to move. Yes, because it is not part of our normal day-to-day activity unless you have a physical job, which many of us do not.

unknown 17:48

No.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

And you know, a lot of those is probably occurred after the war when when they had things like labor-saving devices. Oh, yes, the washing machine. The washing machine, the dishwasher. Yeah. Things that we just take for granted that even my mother and her grandmothers certainly never have in their house microwaves, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

So just at the push of a button, which is no exercise at all, you can you can do something or other.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Yeah, or order up Uber Eats and have it brought to you. You don't even have to go down to the corner.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

No, or even leave the building if you don't want to. But this is this is the whole point that um the uh but I recently saw a YouTube video talking about how far can people, how far can people run and walk? And it was comparing humans against the animals. So the idea is that, and they had this long explanation that the fastest animal on earth is apparently the cheetah, yeah, and it but it sprints, yeah, and it can only go super fast for like less than a minute. Yeah. And then you've got other things like giraffes that will lope along and lope along and keep going for a while.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

It mostly gets farther because its legs are incredibly long, and yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

But the human is the one that once they start and they can actually walk and you can keep going and you can keep going because you're not worn out like the cheetah was. Yeah. And this is why we actually, as humans, can go further than all the other animals. And this was part of why we came out of Africa and walked across Asia and across literally across the land bridge and the yeah. Yeah. Whereas other animals just don't do that, and things like the big cats, they just haven't got it.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Right. And that's why, I mean, yeah, I hate to say it, but why we as a species were is we're able to kill them off because they do stay in one place and they reach equilibrium with their surroundings, which is nice. Yes. There's like a uh give and take with predators and and and yeah, the carnival, the top target. Yeah, exactly. But you know, along come humans, and we're like, cool, you guys are all right here. We're just gonna kill all y'all, eat everything we can, leave the rest for the you know, the the vultures, yeah, make coats and you know, gloves and sleeping bags out of your hide, and then move on to the next area. Yeah, yeah. And we're still doing it.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Yeah. So the the we evolved 300,000 years ago to walk where we're going or trot or even just walking is really our mode of movement.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

And um, back then they weren't lifting weights in the gym, but they were busy all day.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

By hand, yeah, and walking, you know, crushing the milk. Maybe more than 10,000 steps, probably. Exactly, milling corn or or scrubbing the clothes and the hides or whatever, and drying meat so that they were preserved and yeah, working the fields, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Yeah, even up until a hundred years ago, they were all doing that, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah. So it it's uh this physical exercise is a huge thing for Mars.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Um, and then we did speak a little bit about uh competition, which is again the same what it what motivates you to go and say, I want to win that thing, and you get up and you go and do that. So I did a bit of research on this, and we've spoken about dopamine before, and this is part of the reward cycle, and it's it's the it's the neurotransmitter for motivation.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Yeah, and it triggers it once you stop moving, which is apparently it's I love how it's entered the just the common lexicon where people say, Oh, this is a you know, they even talk about like scrolling, doom scrolling, as a you know, you get a dopamine hit with every thing that you you know, yes, give it a like, give it a like, see what's next, how many people liked what I have.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

It's but you get that from exercise and going out and doing it. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Yes, the better form of it. Yes, but even the psychological dopamine hit. That's why gambling is so attractive. It's that dopamine hit of what's next, what's next? I don't know. It could be a good thing, it could be nothing.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Yeah, let me see. I need to compete here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. So, one of the uh things I just want to bring forward about Mars is um the its relationship with Eris.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah, Eris the planet.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

The planet Eris. And maybe you can talk a little bit about the myth of the two, right? Because for those who don't know Mars and Eris, brother and sister. Yes, yeah. So Eris was also a little competitive lady, wasn't she?

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Oh my goodness, was she ever? So, yes, Mars is the Roman god of war, right? Analogous to Ares, the Greek. God of war. And now we're going to just skip over the Roman Greek dichotomy and just kind of we'll just merge them all together because basically that's what Rome did. That's why there's this confusion. But so Eris was actually famous for starting the Trojan War back in the day. She was the only goddess and the only one in the entire you know Greek pantheon who was not invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis.

SPEAKER_04 22:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Yes. So in uh in her anger to not be invited, she crashed the wedding and uh brought a golden apple that was engraved for the fairest. And she waited until Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite, the three A-list goddesses, like the most famous goddesses, uh, were chatting in a corner. And she threw the golden apple at the feet of these three goddesses, knowing it would spark a fight between them. And of course it did. And the three goddesses immediately began, you know, fighting over the apple and who's the fairest, et cetera, et cetera. And Zeus intervened and said, okay, break it up, ladies, like total Trojan version of uh what is that awful reality show. Anyway, yes. The real housewives of Mount Olympus. There we go. That's what I'm groping for. Um, yeah. So anyway, they uh for some reason Zeus doesn't want to judge. Oh, well, actually, not for some reason, because of course Hera is his wife. He's not gonna judge the concept. He's not an impartial judge. So he chooses this little shepherd um named uh Paris, who is just minding his own business, ostensibly, and uh put him in the middle and said, Okay, you have to judge this competition. Well, immediately the goddesses all start uh offering him bribes. Hera offers him like you know as much power as he can possibly handle. You will you will be conquering hero, you'll love millions of whatever people at your feet. Athena offers him the ultimate wisdom because she's the goddess of wisdom. Like you'll know everything, you'll be the smartest man. And Aphrodite offers him the most beautiful woman in the world. Well, of course, it's Helen of Troy. And Troy, of course, is the uh the opposing team. The enemy. The enemy, exactly. So he obviously goes with Aphrodite, because who wouldn't?

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Okay, yeah, yeah, but she's stirring it up, this heiress.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Yeah, exactly. And so she's just standing back there going, you know, my work here is done. Yes, yeah, the um, yeah, the the the goddess of discord.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

So yes, strife of discord, yeah, and her smartest sister, yeah, um, her relationship towards your Mars, I think, is important here. This is well, yes. But for the, you know, this is why we want to do a bit of the idea is so if Mars and I think if Mars and Eris are in aspect, motivation through tension will occur. And um uh we I'm just gonna run through a couple of the aspects that it could be. You don't you don't have any, I don't have any. Um, but anyway, um, I do have someone who does, and I'll talk about that in a moment. So I believe that if Mars is um conjoined Eris, right? So that would mean that of course, for those who don't know, Eris is always in Aries. And for anyone always being in the last like 80 years. For anyone who's alive today, yeah. Um so if your Mars is in Aries, you want to check this. If not, it's not gonna be conjoined. And um, motivation can feel intense and hard to ignore. There is often a strong need to act, especially when something feels unjust, restricted, or misaligned. So you can tap into that, it's like the female Mars energy. And the symbol, the actual glyph for Eris is Mars rotated, if you look at it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Um, and then if you've got Mars textile or trine eres, which are one of the uh uh the ease aspects, this is now flowing disruption. So harmonious aspects between Mars and Eris suggest a more natural ability to work with disruptive energy and control it.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

So that might be a skill of yours if you do have this particular thing. If you have Mars square errors, then it's friction and activation coming together. So a square between Mars and Aries often creates friction that fuels motivation. There can be inattention or external situations that push you to act, right? And then finally, if you have Mars opposition errors, so Mars would then have to be in Libra in your chart. Um, and this would be awareness through others, where um with an opposition, motivation is often activated through other people or relationships, you may encounter situations where your drive meets resistance or where others reflect back something that needs to change in you.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Oh, that is so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yeah. And the fact that they are brother and sister, they they they grind along. Right. So if you don't have an aspect which you and I do not do, um that that's just one thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

So the the one person that I did manage to find the chart for who actually has an aspect between Mars and Ares, who, in the in the group I just looked at, I mean, clearly there are many others, and this is actually my nephew, you know who you are, and he has Mars conjoined Ares in Aries in the sixth house. So it's bringing together those two dynamic energies, like it's like a super, like a super Mars. Yeah, right. You know, it's a brother and sister working together. Yes, and um tapping into the actual need to disrupt and push at the same time. So that's kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Powerful Mars.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Yeah. So I don't know if you have any people in your um group, your local group, that's got this any aspects between Mars and Eris. Yeah, so I know that uh my nephew is actually very much into weightlifting and body body sculpturing, I would suppose you would call it, but he also is a boxer. So that is bringing together this Mars Eris energy right there. It's talk about in your face. That's in your face energy.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Yeah, it is, yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

And what about you, Arwen? Do you have any people in your group that's got Mars aspects to Eris?

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Absolutely. Um, my mother, and I knew that she had just off the top of my head, I knew that she had Mars in Libra. Right. She has a stellium in Libra. We've talked about that before because she's very Libra in this way, but despite being a Sagittarian with Gemini rising, she's got five, wait, four planets in Libra.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

And we did do a podcast, didn't we, not about that? Libra stellium. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

We can we definitely really. So the Libra stellium, she's got Mars at two degrees Libra, and Ares at uh six degrees of Aries. Conjunct Jupiter.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

So Jupiter's at four degrees Aries, and that is also opposite her Mars. So, I mean, Mars opposite Jupiter is already pretty that's putting Mars in a spotlight. But the fact that uh that Ares is then conjunct Jupiter in her 11th house, no less.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Yes, okay. So getting back to the essence, we've got Mars opposition um Ares opposite. Would you say that she is motivated by reflections from others to, I don't know if she does sport or whatever in her in her younger days.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Her activity of choice is dance, which is yeah, wow, which definitely is a so you need a partner generally?

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Is it ballroom dancing or it's ballet? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Now in in later years it's choreography. So it's uh it's absolutely to do with groups, which is she's got heiress in the 11th house, so there's that, but it's also there's very much to do with partnership and and the way she um thinks about dance. There is nature is a partner as well because she's very much about dancing outside, dancing outdoors in nature and added to it. So and she's talked about how nature is a partner. I she even said that to me the other day, and I it stuck out in my mind, and that I can see that right there in that chart. So yeah, motivating for sure is is yeah, it's not just self-directed, it's not just it's reflective because it's the opposition, it has to come from others or the outside.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Yeah, reflecting back saying, Hey, why don't you get off the couch? I mean, I'm not saying she's on the couch, but that sort of thing to say, hey, why don't you do this? Or hey, would you partner with me on this and that? Because it's the opposition.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Yeah, so yeah, one would assume balling down things then, because then you touch our child.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Right, and and ballet was her very first love. That was when she was, I think, 15. She started doing ballet, maybe even younger.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so it's been yeah, so it is there, and it's it's something that that I that as we were I was researching this, I thought this is interesting, this errors thing, there's got to be something there. Yeah, and um, I don't have it, you don't have it, but um, I know my nephew does, and I thought, oh, I this is right there. Yeah, and this is not something that he hides behind a bushel, it's what you know about him within five minutes of yeah, it's right there. Yeah, but it's amazing, super interesting, yeah. Yeah, so um, I'd just like to talk a little bit about Mars by sign and the motivation style you may use depending on which sign your Mars is in.

SPEAKER_04 30:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Okay, so considering Mars, and we're only really considering it uh regarding motivation through signs. So uh when Mars is in Aries, motivation is immediate and instinctive. You act quickly, often without overthinking. Starting is easy, but staying the course can be the challenge. You are energized by new beginnings and direct action, and that is my nephew.

unknown 31:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

So that's um just uh one of those things because it's in its own sign. It's got it's strong. It's absolutely strong. Totally. And then we have Martin Taurus. Oh, when you're up. Yeah. When Martin Taurus, motivation builds slowly but steadily. Once you begin, you have a strong staying power, you are energized by comfort, stability, and tangible results. For you, rushing rarely works, but consistency does. 100%. Would you agree on that?

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Absolutely, absolutely. And also the the fact of contrasting that against Mars in Aries where it's that that that you know self-motivated, that cardinal energy, that uh like starting things and and then tapering off in your energies, I definitely become more motivated as I see results and as I get you know slowly into the thing.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

And I am not like the idea of doing these, like whatever they call it, high impact, uh, whatever that H I I T thing where like these like short bursts of no, yeah no. Yeah, I can't you know, people ask me if I if I run up the stairs. No, I don't run up the stairs. That sounds like a great way to break your nose. I no, I walk up the stairs. You might yeah, no, I walk briskly up the stairs. What do you, you know, and I incorporate like some arm exercises in because I wear wrist weights, but you know, no, I'm plodding up the stairs like a like a Taurus, exactly. Like a bull in a in a stairwell. Exactly like a bull in a stairwell. A bull is not charging up the stairs, a bull is like, you know, yeah, stepping carefully so as not to like break its tusks or whatever they call the horns.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

But I do see this motivation in you in other ways too, particularly talking about the Miss Pinktober, or whatever we called it, where you began and you kept going. Whereas I did not. Two years in a row. You kept and no doubt you will continue building on that.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Well, I hope so. Those two years I did happen to also uh be between contracts in October, which was a very big factor because I did have the time to draw every single day. Yeah. Uh but the point being, you're finished. I'm a very much a completionist. Unless I unless I really have a crisis of faith in whatever it is that I'm actually doing, and I and I convince myself in a very rational way that this is silly to complete and like let's not bother. Yeah, like even which is a weird thing to mention, but um the the dry February thing that my partner I've been doing for years. Well, neither do I now, but for six years we've done it, and that means we just don't drink all through February. And for some people who don't drink at all, that sounds like well, what's the big deal? But we like to drink socially. We like to have water with dinner, we like to go to the local pub, and we just have met many, many friends there. And it just it's a thing that makes life, you know, fun and interesting. And uh, and so abstaining for an entire month is a great test of your willpower. But yeah, I've now convinced myself that it is a bit of a silly test of the willpower. It doesn't actually do anything aside from just prove to you yourself that you can do something that you say you will, which I know I can do. I've got great willpower. My Taurus friend kept forgetting, quote unquote, that I was doing Jeby and would be like, here, have a drink, have a drink. Oh, I forgot. Ha ha. Yes, which is awesome. You know, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

And yet Roger did it too in his Mars is in uh Leo.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Yeah. So we're both stubborn in very different ways.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

But this is what I'm saying that once you get it's like oh once you overcome inertia, yeah, you just keep chugging through and you keep going to the end. And I will plod until the end. Yeah, 100%. That is that is amazing. Because me, I just like got day seven. I thought, yeah, I'm not doing this. And I thought, well, I won't even tell her I didn't do it, but I it came out in the end. Same with the bow thing at Christmas. I thought, yeah, and it's not happening.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

That's so funny. Yeah. The funniest thing is that I have this, like, I guess it you could say it's an overly uh developed ego uh superego, like the the thing on your shoulder that, or you know, whatever it is that you think everyone is watching you somehow. And I have this. Well, I've gotta finish it because I said I would.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Yeah, I mean, yeah, because to yourself it matters. Yeah, to your Mars and Taurus, it matters.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

Yeah. I mean, I could come up with any number of reasons that would be incredibly compelling to stop, you know. Nobody would care. No one would care. They'd be like, good, cool, welcome back to the bar. Gotta finish what I start.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Wow, wow, wow. It's the same with the stairs. Once you start on those stairs, you can't get off them until you get to 19.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

And that is actually factually true because all the doors are locked. They are. We live in a secure building, and you cannot enter or another floor. There are certain crossover floors where you can, but yeah, no, I can't get off the stairwell until I get to the top.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

How does she do it? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Yeah, because she can't stop. She can't not go.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Super interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

All right. So let's have a look at Mars and Gemini. I don't know if you have any anyone with that. So with Mars and Gemini, motivation comes through curiosity and variety. You are energized by ideas, conversations, and learning something new. Too much repetition can stall you, but mental stimulation keeps you moving.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

So they're going for they're reading this book, they're reading that book, they're taking the next course, they're onto the next thing. Yep, the podcast. Yeah, yeah. Entirely different energy altogether. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

And then we have uh Mars in Cancer. So when Mars is in cancer, motivation is tied to feelings and emotional connection. You act when something matters to you on a personal level.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Creating a safe and supportive environment helps your energy flow.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

And then we have uh Mars in Leo. With Mars in Leo, motivation comes through creativity and self-expression. You are energized when you feel seen, appreciated, or inspired.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Bringing a sense of play and joy into your actions keeps you engaged.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

For sure. And that is my partner. Absolutely. He he plays the game. He plays guitar, he plays hockey, and it definitely comes from competition. He loves competing.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

But it's creative, right? He writes his own tunes.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Oh, yeah. And he can play like people will come over with and you know, for these jam nights that we have, and we'll say, like, pick a couple songs that you'd like us to learn. And it is actually kind of funny because sometimes people come and they're like, I really like Taylor Swift. Can you learn? And they kind of look like, is it possible? And he's like, uh, yeah, he listens to like half of the song, and he's like, Yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Turns it out. That's you know, some things are way easier than others. I mean, you know, bring like a Gordon Lightfoot song, and it'll take a little longer, but yeah, I don't know. He'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

But the creativity and expression of the activity is important then. Yeah, he's just not going to be um someone walking up the stairs. He's he's gonna wants to have something creative at the end of it.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Yeah, creative or competitive, doing something where it's the game people are watching or people are. Yeah.

unknown 38:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

They see him do it. Yeah, exactly. That's Leo, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

And then we have uh Mars in Virgo. So when Mars is in Virgo, your motivation is practical and purposeful. You are energized by improving things, solving problems, and being useful. Small clear steps help you begin, and progress builds your momentum.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

This is you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

This is me.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

And I look here at my notebook, which is literally about to say, look at your notebook. This is the most Virgo thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Is it really? It's well, this is 2026. So I get an A5 notebook each year for what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

And it's broken down. I set it up in September and it's broken down to into each month and so on. And every week of our podcast, particularly, we've got the record of what we did, what we didn't do, and what we're gonna do next.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

There are tabs for each month that stick out. There are little notes that are in the margins. Yes. Yeah, thank you. And it's um it is a meticulous diary of everything that was going on in that month, astrologically, podcast-wise. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

And and there's other things that pop up, but mainly it's not a diary at all. It's not about what I'm doing with or my social life, it's about what I'm producing online.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

The blog, the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

The blog, the podcast, the newsletter.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Um, and for those who don't know, I don't just do astrology, I actually do hobby art as well. And there's another thing coming on stream in six months.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

But that would be a different notebook, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:31

No, well, it still goes in here because it's still what I'm having to attend to. Right. And for instance, what I'm what I'm publishing in May would go on here. That when when the when the newsletter and the um episode's ready and the recordings, blah, blah, blah, ready to go. It goes, it comes in here, and then I've got other ones coming from my other newsletter, which I issue. Um, maybe you don't know, but anyway, we've got other things going on.

SPEAKER_02 39:54

I really think a photo of that should go on the blog post.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Wow. Well, I can do that.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

Yeah. I mean, people need to know. This is what Virgo does. This is what Martin Virgo does.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Because I wake up in the morning and I make my tea, and then I'm thinking, okay, what am I doing today? But I don't even need to know that question because I've written my to-do list last night, and this book is open on today's page about I need to edit this podcast, write that newsletter, source these images, email that woman, cast that chart, do the art piece, and then maybe I've got some other things to do. But my creativity output is this Marzenberger. I don't want to say I'm a workaholic.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

But yet, you this is your this is your enterprise.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

It really is. I'm not sitting around, and then if I'm actually not feeling up to it, I've then got knitting and crochuring on the go because you can't just sit around doing nothing.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

No, exactly. You've got to be doing something with your hands, whether it's not.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

But I'm not sure I'm not in the gym, I'm not boxing, I'm not walking the stairs, and I'm not playing hockey or ballet or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

But I am incredibly busy and incredibly motivated.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Yeah, yeah, to to pull it together. And it's a very because it's Mars in Virgo, it's a quiet Mars. Yeah. And I'm not shouting from the rooftops.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

I think all the Earth Mars are quieter. And this is a we need to bring in the elemental um similarities a little bit because they are very different, but there is a similarity. And we've we're jumping in on the earth ones here because both of us have an Earth Mars. Yes. But but they're very different, yet they're they're they're concrete. They're they're not productive. Yeah, exactly. They are incredibly productive, Mars's and they're not flashy necessarily.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

But I think Mars in Virgo is is industrious and it is it is organized and it is very detail oriented. And as you say, I did the the the you know, the the the list, the to-do list the night before. And with me, it's like I will, you know, after the fact, never before the fact, I will never put in, oh, I will do the gym. And I don't know. I don't know, something might come up. I don't know what I'll do, but I'll do it after. I'll write it, you know, did weights, whatever, like so that it's on the calendar, so I can at least go back and see, okay, I did the gym four times this, you know, last week, or I did whatever. Like I'll I'll document it. Yes. And I I think that is also a a very Torian thing. It's like it's not a forward-looking Mars. It was a backward-looking Mars. And I get it's it's bringing work into it because work is is has a lot to do with how you um motivate yourself and how you project yourself. And I have a lot of trouble with things at work when I am supposed to um document my plan to do such and such. Or yeah, it's and I know that there are all these applications for it. I trust me, I'm using Jira, I've used Microsoft Project, and I've used Monday.com, and they're all horrific. They're all horrific in different ways. But you have to, like these days, you have to document all this stuff, and it's it's a nightmare. Like it'll be less of a nightmare possibly for you to be like, okay, well, I'm gonna break this project into all these different tasks and who is involved with this one, and who do I need to get this one to sign off? Like, oh, it it's the worst part of my job.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Right, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

But I because I would way rather be like, okay, I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this, I this. What's that lead to, as opposed to what do I have to do over the next month, and how will that work out into steps? Because to me, that's not how my mind works.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

That's not motivating to me. That's why am I spending half my day documenting what I'm going to do? I just want to do it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Years ago, when I had a garden, um in a house, when I had a house with a garden, yeah, I had my garden journal, yeah, diary. And if I planted seeds of X, Y, Z, I'd put the date, plot the seed, and I'd have the map where I put it.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

And then, you know, three months' time when it bloomed, I'd write when it bloomed and this and that. And really, nobody cared except me.

unknown 43:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

That I and I would put the seed packet and glue it in and say, Yeah, this is what I've been doing, and I'm doing this, and maybe next time I'll get the blue one. This time I've got the pink.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Would you go back and look later and be like, oh, I did this that year and made in the future.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

That was what I would call a perpetual diary because it went from January to December, but you're still always planting in April. Right. So you would use the you would go back and say, Well, it's April. What did I plant last year? What shall I plant for?

SPEAKER_02 44:19

What was successful and what wasn't? And yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

But you would keep the whole thing going. So you could go back and say that Lorus Nobilis tree that I planted five years ago has finally hit 10 meters or something. And um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

If you're hiring an executive assistant, check if they have Mars and Virgo.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Well, if you if you're gonna have any assistant or a secretary or whatever they call them, personal assistant, you need a Virgo.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

Something, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

You absolutely do.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Yeah, I 100% agree with that. Mars and Virgo is probably really helpful for doing things like that. Like if there's got to be a plan that involves a ton of different moving parts and you want it to be consistent with previous years and yikes.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

And I don't do it because I'm going to show other people. I do it for me so I can say, oh yes, let's this is what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

This is what worked last year, therefore, and this is what didn't work, and there I won't do that again, or I won't do it the same way. I'll change my factor and I'll write it down so I know what helped.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Which seed I planted, and um blah blah blah blah blah. And maybe I had more time back then because I wasn't as busy as I am now. But the the principle of record keeping, yeah, yes, Mars and Virgo, record keeping.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

That is so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Yeah. So yeah. Right. Anyway, I know.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

I know I mean it's not even a digression because there's a lot of people listening who will have their Mars in one of those signs. Well, one in twelve will, yeah.

unknown 45:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

Yeah, two in twelve, technically. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 45:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Okay, then Martin Libra. Yeah. Um, when Mars is in Libra, this is your mom. Yeah. Uh getting motivated often involves others. You are energized through partnerships, balance, and shared goals. Decision making can slow you down, but collaboration helps you move forward.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

So one would assume that and balance is such an interesting word because as a ballet dancer, you would need to balance on your tippy toes, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_02 46:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

And find your pose. That word strike a pose.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

That word is huge for her.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

Yeah. And um collaboration, moving forward together with a partner, has to be the driver there to with Martin Libra, that it might be difficult to go it alone, but if you have someone walking your path, i.e. a Libra person, they would um help you with that.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Yeah, and I find even, and this is just me, you know, psychology, my mother, blah blah blah. Yeah, but I find that even in her partnerships, she's been with the same man for 30 some years now. And he is the this this like the quiet setting in which the diamond of her goals can shine.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Wow, that's a great way of putting it.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Thank you. He is he is not a flashy, you know, enterprising person who is out there, you know, making deals and wheeling in, you know, he's not a competitive He's not competing with her. No, not at all. But he he is what you know, he he makes the household. He cooks the meals and he's the support team for her. All of her efforts and takes care of the cats and the household and plants the beautiful garden that they have around their home and builds little shelves and sets up the yeah, yeah. There you have it.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

It's it sounds great. It just sounds great.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

Yeah, for sure. And that's that Mars thing. I mean, that that's that Martin Libra thing. Martin Libra works for her, even if it's not a partnership where he's helping her to, you know, do her PhD program or to write her essays or to set up. But he's supporting. He's supporting 100%. He's a silent partner, and that is so necessary to partnership.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

It's Libra, partnership, always.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Yeah, big time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Okay, and then we get to Martin uh Scorpio. Yeah. With Mars in its own sign of Scorpio, motivation runs deep and intense. Yeah. When you commit, you are fully in. You are energized by focus, transformation, and meaningful goals. Superficial tasks may not hold your interest.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

So one would assume with Mars and Scorpio that it has to be something important that you're actually doing. Um, it's not just gonna be some casual thing that As Virgo types do, but it's gonna be uh deep. And that's the commitment, too, as well, of you know.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

Yeah, and this is a very um entrepreneurial placement as well. I this is so funny. This is someone I knew 25 years ago. And I it just stuck in my mind that he had Mars and Scorpio. Um birthday was uh literally, you know, two days before my partners, uh couple of years different, um, you know, a few years older, but Mars and Scorpio. And he was the CEO of a couple of a few companies. Like he was this, you know, one of these young entrepreneurs, and then he would come in and like take over a different company and and was uh like a ruthless businessman and very formidable in in business.

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Competitive, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

He was in one of those top 40 under 40 things when we were all in our it's not that they're competing, they want to win. Oh, yeah. No, he didn't think anyone was competitive, yeah, like his his competition. No, he's yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah, super interesting. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him. God forbid. Uh yeah, it's yeah, interesting. Wow, it's an interesting placement. Yeah, yeah, cutthroat. Cutthroat.

SPEAKER_05 49:35

That was another word for it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Okay. Yeah. So Martin Sagittarius. Uh, when Martin is in Sagittarius, your motivation is driven by exploration and possibility.

SPEAKER_05 49:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

You are energized by freedom, learning, and a sense of adventure. You move best when you feel inspired rather than restricted. Pretty much what it's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

For sure. And and it's interesting, the person who came to mind for this is uh another friend of mine who I met around the same time as my best friend. Yeah. She's a Libra, but she's got Mars and Sagittarius. And when you look at her, you just think, wow, there's some Sagittarian energy. And it is true, she has your Uranus and Neptune generationally also in Sagittarius, but but uh that Mars and Sagittarius got this big wild crazy mane of beautiful curly hair. She's a roller skater, she's a fantastically graceful roller skater, probably one of the best I've ever seen at roller roller skating uh dance, dance skating. And uh skates backwards effortlessly and uh very free-spirited. She's constantly on the move. She's just she dropped everything and like left a couple of years ago to move to Costa Rica. I don't even know if she's back. I yeah, just uh crazy. Yeah, instead very much.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

You wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. We don't know that moss. Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

Yeah, yeah. But I but it resonated with her because that her her her um it's it's at four degrees, which actually is right on my Neptune. So I see her as this this glamorous, beautiful, idealized, and also very motivating. She would she would say, Hey, do you want to go skating? And I'd be like, Yeah, of course. You know, like let's go. I want her to teach me how to how to do what she does.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Wow, wow.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Amazing, amazing.

unknown 51:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

All right, so let's move on. So Mars in Capricorn. With Mars in its exaltation in Capricorn, you're your motivation is disciplined and goal-oriented. You are energized by achievement, structure, and long-term success. You may start slowly, but you build momentum with determination.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Now, this again is the this is another earth sign. Getting there slowly, but doing it.

SPEAKER_03 51:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

Not flashy. This isn't flashy. None of the earth signs are, you know. Um, and that's Martin Capricorn. I don't know anyone with this placement off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

I know one person, and I it's weird because I just I flicked over to her chart just thinking, maybe, and there it is. Yeah. Really?

unknown 52:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Isn't that weird? Um, well. A former girlfriend of a very good friend of ours, and uh, she's one of these people who is just kind of naturally good at everything, which is really irritating if she wasn't such a one all around us. If she wasn't just such an angel who was just also incredibly nice and and generous and wonderful. But she played guitar, she had natural rhythm, she played hockey. She accomplished. Yeah. She would probably do embarrassing. She spoke a few languages, and yeah, just like, what? Why are you naturally good at anything? You hand her something and she's like, Oh, yeah, I can figure this out. Look, I can do that. What? Yeah, yeah. And very, very dedicated, very disciplined. She worked the night shift at the hotel, which is it takes a lot of discipline to maintain that.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

And yeah, because the Victorians in their time, when they had a young lady who was just sitting in the parlor, she had to be accomplished, she had to speak French, know some Latin, play croquet, do embroidery, yeah, uh what a dog which breed of dogs was, how know how to organize a menu in your kitchen. Absolutely. And you had to be an accomplished young lady. Even though they like they looked like they were sitting there doing nothing, right? They still had to be able to do all the sewing stitches, felling and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

And uh like a duck, all the paddling madly is happening under the surface, and they just look like they're placidly floating.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

To be an accomplished woman is is an example of Mars at Capricorn where you do know these things. It's still not flashy, it's not good. But it's this is a woman who, well, back then.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

And so modest. So modest. You'd say, Oh my god, you're good at everything. Oh no, I'm not. No, I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Super interesting. Yeah. Then we get to Mars and Aquarius. Do we have anyone with us?

SPEAKER_02 53:56

Uh my best friend uh definitely.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

So when Mars is an Aquarius, your motivation comes through ideas, innovation, and independence. You are energized by doing things differently, thinking outside the box. You prefer to act on your own terms.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

So, you know.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

Yeah, yeah. She's not joining any teams or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

She's going her own way, carving her own life. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Then if anyone wants to come along, awesome. Like always great to have company, but doesn't need it. She gets up at 5 a.m. to go to the gym and then she goes to teaching school all day.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

These are the wake up early people. This is what's like a guy's name David Goggins.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:35

What was it? Stay hard or whatever he says. Yes, I bet it indeed. Yeah. And then we go to Martin Pisces. I don't know anyone with this placement, but um off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_03 54:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Uh when Martin Pisces' motivation is subtle and fluid, you are energized by imagination, compassion, and inner inspiration. Harsh pressure can drain you, but a gentle creative approach supports your flow.

SPEAKER_04 55:03

Yep, yep, love it.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

So one would assume this this taps into the artists, the gurus, the the priests, and the all of those people who are still able to get up and go and do something, and they are motivated by perhaps what the the the meaning of what they're doing, not the money they're gonna get from it or the accolades. And that's why you get this Pisces is very often to do with the church and that sort of person who is just attending to it.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

Yeah, yeah. Motivated by the mission, by a greater purpose. Whether that it doesn't have to be a spiritual thing, but having a greater purpose is super important for me. Yeah. I mean, I would say the water signs in general, having some sort of a greater motivating force, something external to themselves is super important. And it and and that sense of meaning and sense that something is important, whether that's because it's of service to others or whether it's a spiritual thing or creative output, it's gotta be, it's gotta feel important. It's gotta feel like it's not it's not that Aries thing or even that Virgo thing where it's very inward and very you know self-contained or self um uh self-centered or you know, the but the the water science that's a bit more externally focused.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

It's true. It's they're more for the for the everyone, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

And I I would think that like anything with water, it fluctuates. Their energy levels would would fluctuate a great deal more than someone who is more fiery or even more earthy, because that earth, as as we've said, it's you you just set it and it's it's a perpetual motion machine. You know, the Mars and Taurus, you just set it and you say, go to the top of the staircase and don't come back until you're done. Do five sets and you just go, I hate it, but I'm gonna do it because that's what I'm doing. I just said I would, so I have to. Right. And you, it's like, well, but this notebook, it's all organized. I'm gonna fill it out because I said I would. And it's for me, it's it helps clarity. It helps clarity, but with the yeah, with the um the Mars and the water signs, I would think that that motivation is more fluid and more ephemeral. Yeah. And and would would would not be as reliable, I would think. Those those placements for Mars are a little uh it's not comfortable. No, it's a little dodgy.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

A little dodgy, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

But I mean, fire is also ephemeral, but it's it's the natural state of Mars to be on fire.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

Yes. Burn the place down.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Great. Yeah. Okay, so um, so just uh briefly, we're going to look at Mars in the houses regarding motivation. So this is a different look to it. It's where it's in your sign. It's one thing, which house it's in is something entirely different.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

The where versus the how.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Yeah. So you've got that. And I'm just uh just want to get a couple of charts up here that I'm look gonna be looking at. Yeah. So Mars in the first house. I don't know anyone who's got this, but anyway, you are motivated to act in the world directly when Mars is in the first house. There is a strong drive to initiate and to be seen as active and capable. Action comes naturally, and you often lead by example. These are the guys they're first off at the traffic light in the red car, and uh yeah, they're they're doing it. We all know they're doing it.

SPEAKER_02 58:19

Yeah, and they might be the first to get caught as well.

SPEAKER_00 58:21

Probably something wrong. Probably. Yeah. Um, and then Mars in the second house, uh, with Mars in the second house, indicates that your motivation is linked to security, resources, and personal values. Yes. You are driven to build stability and may focus your energy on earning, saving, and creating something of lasting worth. Absolutely. Something for comfort or something for your self-esteem. Yeah. Yeah. So I again I haven't got any charts with this at the top of my head, but anyway, yeah. Then Mars in the third house, and I have to put my hand up to this one. Yeah. Yeah. With Mars in the third house, you are motivated through communication, learning, and everyday interactions. Writing, speaking, and sharing ideas can energize you. Mental activity often leads to physical action.

SPEAKER_02 59:08

Well, that says it all right there. Here we are, that's you in a nutshell. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

And you know, Mars is a quiet Mars for me, but it isn't the third house. It's about writing, reaching out, educating. I blog, I blog, I blog, I blog more than we podcast. I keep blogging because I've got to get a yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:27

On it goes.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

It would be weird if it was any other placement for you.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Me too. Yeah. Okay, so Mars in the fourth house. This suggests that your motivation is rooted in your private world. Home, family, and emotional foundations are key drivers. You may act strongly to protect or shape your personal space.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

I this to me, this is the guy who's always like fixing up the basement or putting a new roof on or putting up a shelf, but it never quite maybe not ever gets finished. They start. You know how it is.

SPEAKER_04 59:58

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

Okay, and then Mars in the fifth house. Um, when Mars is in the fifth house, you are motivated by creativity, joy, and self-expression. There is a drive to create, to perform, and engage in activities that bring pleasure. Passion projects can be a powerful outlet.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:20

Yeah. Oh my gosh. And I just realized my mother and my father don't have a lot in common. They had me, and that was basically all they had together. Yeah. And they broke up when I was five. They both have this.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

Do they? Yeah. Activities that bring pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

Isn't that beautiful? Yeah. And there you are. And you're you're you are the child. And I'm the product of that. And my dad is a musician, he's been a musician all his life, and he teaches music. And his two sons, who he had, you know, 12 and 14 years after me, uh, are both musicians.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

So and your mother's into dance. I mean, it's just all there, isn't it? It's right there. That's a good idea. Wow. Super interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

And then we go to Mars in the sixth house. Now, this is my sister and my nephew, actually. So your energy flows into work, routines, and daily tasks when Mars is in the sixth house. You are motivated by being useful and productive. Small actions done consistently can lead to meaningful results. We go to the sixth house, is where you occupy yourself and hone your craft.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

And that's what needs to be done here. The polishing the marbles in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Then we have Mars in the seventh house. Is this you? That is me. Okay. Mars in the seventh house shows that you are motivated through relationships and interactions with others. Partnerships can activate your drive, whether through cooperation or challenge. Other people often spark your action.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:43

And this is so you, right? Yeah. Do the pink toma. She's doing the pink toma. He says, Well, health is fitness or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:52

And then I do I'd get roller skates the next day. My friend says, let's do it. Let's go to Mexico. And I'm like, okay. Wow. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:01

But I'm not the one coming up with the idea. You're not initiating it. Yeah. Nope. Interesting. But anything you tell me to do, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

Well, yeah, I'll probably do it. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. So with Mars in the eighth house and in one of its natural placements, your motivation runs deep and is often connected to transformation, shared resources, or emotional intensity. You are drawn to meaningful experiences that create lasting change. It's not just, well, let's just do it. We're going to say, let's do it and we'll make a difference. And then with Mars in the ninth house, um, when Mars is in the ninth house, it suggests that you are motivated by growth, learning, and exploration. Travel study and expanding your perspective can energize you. You act when something feels meaningful or inspiring. And then with Mars in the 10th house, your drive is directed towards achievement and public life. Is Mars is in the 10th house? You are motivated to succeed, to build a reputation, and to make your mark in the world. Goals help you focus your energy. This is the go-getter.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:16

Yeah, that is my partner and my best friend. Is that right? Also, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

And he's a go-getter, if anybody is.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

100%, yeah. And she's always on Instagram. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

Make your mark in the world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

Uh, Martin, the 11th house, you are motivated by community friendships and shared visions. Group efforts and future goals can energize you. You may act in ways that support collective progress. So, you know, there you go. For the good of the group. Yeah. And then finally, with Mars in the 12th house, your motivation is more private and often works behind the scenes. You are energized by reflection, solitude, and inner work. Quiet effort can be just as powerful as visible action.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

Yeah. So that's Mars going through the different areas of life, the different houses in your chart, and how it's likely to be expressed and how you are likely to get motivated, be motivated, and probably motivate others as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is great. We've been talking about how Mars motivates you, how Mars in your natal chart and its placement can show the motivation you have to get things going, to get off the couch to go and do something. Yeah. We've spoken about Mars in its relationship to Eris. We've spoken about Mars in as it motivates through signs. And we've spoken about Mars as it motivates through houses. We will probably be talking about Mars and its motivation through aspects in another episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:53

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SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

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SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

And um perfect timing on the sirens outside the window. But anyway. Yes. So we have actually um enjoyed creating this episode for you. We have felt motivated, Arwen and I, to talk about this because what are you doing with your life? Go and do something and uh live your best life, and you can do that once you um tune into your Mars placement. I think it's very interesting. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Yeah, I agree.

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