225. Your Astrology Questions Answered: 🧡 Advanced Natal Astrology

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Starzoology Astrology Podcast. I am your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Arwen O'Neill. Hello, Alison. It's great to be here. So nice to have you once more. Thank you. So in this episode, we are doing a QA because it's our 225th podcast episode that we are recording today. It is indeed, yes. Which is crazy. Now, every 25 episodes, we do QA from you, our listeners. Yes. So we are going to be answering listeners' questions about astrology, and we do get a lot of all sorts of questions.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

We definitely do. And you can certainly, if you if you have a question, you can send it in to us and we will address it at our 250th episode. And uh starstrology at gmail.com. Yeah. Yeah. Just email it to us and um we will be answering your questions. But what's interesting is the type of questions we are getting from our audience, yeah, which is quite um interesting in itself. It is that it's not just your we're not just getting your basic astrology, we're getting some rather complex questions about um advanced astrology, which is really what we talk about, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Yeah, I mean we we do the whole spectrum, I think. We do basics, we do very complex, we yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

And we've spoken before about that. We want you to listen to our podcast and then think about what we've said in the next week and keep the astrological conversation going.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

We're not just giving you a fish, we're not even really teaching you how to fish. We're saying, well, if you had this rod and you had that river, what would you do? Or not that I know anything about fishing.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

But we're not even um teaching you how to fish. We are we are showing you the concepts of if you did stand on the riverbank with a rod and you were hungry. What was the what potentially what are the results they get?

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

So um that's that's one way of looking at it. So the idea is that we have we have a few questions that we're just going to address today. Yeah. It's um, and Arwen's going to uh read them out to us, and we're going to be discussing what we think the answers are to these questions from our listeners. That sounds great. So over to you, Arwin. What do you have for us to start with?

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Well, our first question comes from Rose in Tampa, and her question is how does the charts ruler's condition shape the overall coherence of the natal chart?

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Wow. Yeah. So to start with, let's quite clarify what is the chart ruler.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

So yeah, so you take you have to know what time you were born, you have to know where you were born, and that would be the ruler of the sign on the ascendant. So if you have Aries rising, that would be Mars, because Mars rules Aries.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

If you have Virgo rising, that would be Mercury. If you have Gemini rising, you would also be Mercury. If you have Libra rising, it would be Venus. Yeah. So that would be that planet. The planet that rules your ascendant is your chart ruler.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yeah, and so your ascendant and your rising sign are the same thing. Yep. And one planet rules each sign.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Well, well, okay, some planets rule two signs. But whatever your ascendant sign is, the planet that rules that sign in your chart. Yeah. Because that was the question, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

So yeah. So you have Leo rising. Yes. So the sun would be your chart's ruler.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

The sun is my chart rising.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Very convenient.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

It is super convenient.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

I have Scorpio rising. And so mine is either or both Mars and Pluto.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Because they rule.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Because they rule Scorpio. And it's the modern ruler and the traditional ruler. So I can kind of, it's like it choose your own adventure. You can pick which one you want, or you can kind of do both, which is great. Yeah. But there are also, um, if you uh have Virgo or Gemini rising, that's Mercury.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

So that's it's there's a bit of a there's a bit of give and take a bit of flexibility there. So it's only uh Leo and Cancer, because Cancer is ruled by the moon. Yeah. So that that's the those are only two signs that's only got one ruler. The rest, well, that's not true. Capricorn's got Saturn, Scientists got Jupiter. But the point is that what we are looking for is the chart ruler, whichever planet that is, yeah, but how is it in your charts?

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Not in general, not just the planet. Yeah, exactly. You want to know, okay. So for example, if you do have Scorpio rising, or yeah, let's just use that.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Yes, let's use that. Let's use you as a can I say again. Why wouldn't we? I don't want to say a guinea pig.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

I would love guinea pigs, yeah. Actually, kind of very messy creatures. I would never anyway, it doesn't matter, they're cute. Um, yeah, guinea pig. Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

So we're talking about Arwen's chart, Arwen's got Scorpio rising, so her two ruling planets are Mars and Pluto. So we look in her chart about how is her Mars.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

And fortunately for for Arwen, she's got it a Taurus in the seventh. And we have spoken about Mars several times.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Yeah. So go back and listen to our other Mars podcasts if you want, if you're interested in that. You also have Scorpio rising. And yeah, so Mars in the seventh house, it's great. It's uh it's a great place for it. My partners might yeah, agree or not agree. But yeah, I I think he would agree uh that that's a great place for my Mars. Uh he's a great well, it represents him anyway. That's 100%. Yeah, he's a very Martian Martial person. Yeah, um, he's got Mars and Leo. But anyway, so yeah, I've and I've got Mars and Taurus, which is not a great placement for Mars. It is uh in its detriment because that is uh opposite Scorpio, Scorpio being its rulership, so detriment is the opposite of that. Yeah, and since it's in the seventh house, it's directly opposite.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

And going on from that too, we've you've got this, you've got the square to Jupiter, you've got to try and is it the sun, I think. Oh yes. And there are multiple and sacroquadrant there too, Neptune. But sorry, what was the actual question again? Sorry, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Yeah, it's um how does it shape the overall coherence in the entire yeah? So I mean, really, you just want to look at all of the and and if you do have some uh placement where where there are two planets, so for example, if you have Pisces rising, you're gonna want to look at Jupiter and Neptune because that is the traditional and the modern placement. And you're gonna have to kind of do this little juggle of like, well, which one is more important? Where is Jupiter? Where is Neptune? How is do they have any interaspects between the two of them?

SPEAKER_01 6:22

But the fact that Mars and Pluto are your two chart rulers gives them importance to start with. For sure. They're already ahead of the rest of the planet, yeah. They're colouring who you are. Yes, totally. So with that, we got that Mars we've had a quick look at, and then you've got the Pluto in in Libra in the 11th. Yeah. Um, again, trying Jupiter and um squaring Saturn, and it's all kind of connected in. But let me ask you, do you feel that which of those two planets is more prominent for you, or do you do you see them as equally having an influence in your life?

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Yeah, to be honest, I do feel that Pluto is a bit more, is a bit stronger. Right. And that would be probably because it is conjunct by Venus. Right. It is square my Saturn, and that's one of the tightest uh squares in the entire chart. It's less than one degree. Yeah, it's and that's uh it's a bit of a generational marker, actually. Any any squares that Pluto makes or I mean the the the Pluto-Saturn cycle is very it's very politically kind of engaged and that's you, yeah. I mean, Liz Green did a whole thing about people who have Saturn-Pluto placements and and how that is almost like a you almost have like a generational trauma that's kind of built into your chart. I don't like to use the word trauma because I'm a generation X and we don't really believe in trauma. Like we we kind of ate trauma for breakfast, like but uh but yeah, if you're you know millennial or younger, you might be like, oh, super interested in trauma. And yeah, so Saturn Pluto is uh is a very kind of it makes you feel like the personal is political and vice versa. Like you feel like the world events really affect you, and it's uh it's really reflected in that square in my chart. Uh whereas Mars uh in my chart has like three trines. It has one square, but it's to Jupiter, so that's you know, yes, kind of it almost might as well be a trine because Jupiter, you know, Jupiter squares are like kind of nice and fluffy. Um but yeah, all the other placements that that Mars has with my other planets are very they're either sexiles or trines, basically. Yes. It doesn't do anything dramatic in my chart.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

And it's in Taurus, you know? Yeah, it's it's kind of slightly debilitated there. Right. But the point is that because both Mars and Pluto are your chart rulers, already they are getting uh in in my book a high score in your chart particularly. Yeah. So it's bringing that outer planet Pluto forward, which would not happen in a chart like mine, because I've got Leo rising.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

So already we are we are we are focusing on these two planets as they are going to affect your life because they are important planets and they're prominent in your chart. No matter where they're placed, they are still going to be uh head and shoulders above other planets that are just sitting there minding their own business.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

So the importance of ruling planets is big. Yeah, yeah. If not bigger than the sun and moon, yeah. It does depend, but um, in general, you absolutely have to give cognizance to these planets when you're looking at somebody's chart, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:21

Totally, totally. And it's really important if you look at sinistry as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just want to make sure where your ruling planets are landing in someone else's chart.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Where Yes, because these are powerful planets. Not only that, when Mars and Pluto are transiting, they're more important for you than they are for me.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Very much so. Yeah. I've yeah, I've documented a great deal of Pluto uh transit uh energy in my throughout my life.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

And I do think that you cannot ignore uh ruling planets, yeah, even if they're maybe not well placed or maybe they're retrograde or whatever it is, yeah, or debilitated in some other way. You still cannot ignore them because they are the chart ruler. They get uh what respect because of the got the position. Totally. And that has to be considered. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

It's like if you got Meryl Streep to do like a little, you know, five-minute walk-on on your movie. Like it might be a five-minute walk on, and she might only have a couple of lines, but it's Meryl Effing Street. Yeah. Yeah. Or Judy Dench when she was in Shakespeare. Eight minutes. Literally, you know, exactly. If you know, you know. And she won the the best awarding action and well deserved for sure. Yes, yeah, but that eight minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

So I I think the point is that these planets are important and cannot be dismissed. Was that the question in the end of the did we answer that?

SPEAKER_03 10:36

So, yeah, like do you see the just just how does the yeah? I think that she basically is asking, like, what does the chart rule ours condition do?

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, it really does impact the chart. And thank you for that for that great question. And that was a really good question. Following us and listening, we do appreciate her being one of our listeners. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Thank you, Rose.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Thank you, Rose.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Yeah. All right. So our next question comes from Alex in Christchurch, New Zealand. Yeah. Thank you for listening. From did we still call New Zealand Down Under, or is that just Australia? All right. I mean, they're nearby each other. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

But we have a lot of listeners from New Zealand.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Yes. It is not down under. It's crazy. Sorry for saying that. It's crazy. Yes. New Zealand is is famously where they filmed all the Lord of the Rings movies, and I my name comes from Lord of the Rings. I have a very big affinity through that. Fantastic place. Absolutely gorgeous place. All right. Alex asks, do major aspect patterns in the natal chart dissolve in time through secondary progressions?

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Good question.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yes. So what is the question asking?

SPEAKER_03 11:40

That is my question, actually.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Okay. Yeah. So this is a very insightful question. So uh thank you, Alex. So what he's asking, or she, I'm not sure who it is. Sorry. Um, if you've got a major aspect pattern such as a T square or a grand trine or a yacht or something, and it's in the nasal chart, and the question is, does it dissolve over time through pro secondary progressions? Of course, yeah, right. So secondary progressions is a way of moving the chart forward, and it's technically one day for a year of the sun's movement. Yeah. But the planets won't necessarily move, some won't move at all.

SPEAKER_03 12:13

Right. I mean, the the outer planets will not move at all, but some will not move at all. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

So it does depend. So it's a good question because say you've got a t-square, say, between um, I don't know, the outer planets, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto had a t square, which wouldn't have. That would not move. That would not dissolve. But if you have a t-square between the sun, Mars, and the moon in time, that will dissolve because the progress moon will move away and the t-square will fall away.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

So you only actually technically have the ability to tap into that t-square in the years before the moon moves away.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

Very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Now, of course, who has time to dig into these? But as a good astrology, you ought to be doing it. Because not only are you paying attention to t-squares that are falling out of orb through secondary progression, you also want to look at those coming into orb that were not even in your in your birth chart.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

So when you're doing, um that's why you would want to cast the secondary progress chart to see, does this T-square still hold? Right. Or has Uranus moved in at all?

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Is it now a grand shrine? Yes. Which case why?

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Well, is it now a grand cross? Or has Saturn moved away but Uranus moved in? Yeah. So that's a very interesting question. That although it's in your natal chart, by secondary progression, it will dissolve. Yeah. But new new ones will form too, and we don't know what they're going to be.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Which isn't to say that when you're doing your chart, if you're in your 40s or 50s or 60s or whatever, I mean the the your chart is still your chart. Obviously, you you are all of those grand trines and squares that you have in your natal chart, that's always going to be your chart. But as as we've also noticed in in let's say squares, a square that you had that really caused a lot of contention in your younger years, you get used to it in a way. Something that really caused you master it. Yeah, you master it. Exactly. Those things that that maybe caused a lot of friction when you were in your 20s or 30s or teens, even, they'll become more palatable. And that I think is is a square.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

So you've got the sun square moon in your natal chart, by progression, you will get the sun triangle moon. Yeah. And although it's the same as it's the same two planets in aspect, they have a different relationship because you've, good helpers, you've learned something, surely. Yeah. And this is what progressions do. Yeah. That they are slowly unfolding your natal chart, because it all comes from your natal chart progressions. Yeah. That the the the shift in the energy is now.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

Yeah. The sign, the sign placements will also be the same. You'll still have Mars and Taurus or whatever. But all of the relationships in those between the planets will shift over time with the with the progressions.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

That's right. So if you if you were in your 20s and you had this challenging T-square, you may find that it's morphed into something like a grand triumph. And it could do. But you will only know that if you cast the secondary progressions for today to see what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

And you may find that you may have had a difficult chart when you started, but now in your 50s, you've got a far easier going chart to deal with because your life has become hopefully better.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

But it works the other way too.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I was gonna say, of course. We all know people who maybe had a very easy childhood and they you know were very popular in high school.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

And yes. Well, my son, for instance, has a grand trine in uh fire, and he's he's he cruised through uh into his twenties, into his thirties, even. But as time has gone on, this this uh grand trine has gone away and a T square has formed and he's having to deal with stuff that really ought to have been dealt with 20 years ago, yeah, but now it's it's approaching him because it's in his secondary progress chart. Yeah. So it's a very interesting question because it does change, and you need to that's why you have to move past transits and get onto secondary progressions to see the evolution of the person. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I love that. So I hope did we answer the question there, Arwen?

SPEAKER_03 16:26

I feel like we did. If we didn't, Alex, please write back to us and uh let us know if we need to clarify more. Yeah, or well, anyone else who uh or anyone else who wants to know about secondary progressions. It's a good question, though. It's a wonderful question. So fascinating. Okay. Yeah. Okie doke. Our next question comes from Doug from Glasgow. Right. All right. When do you switch from placidus cusps to zero Aries and why?

SPEAKER_01 16:52

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

So the question is when you because we use Placidus House Cusp in our one and I, we are at Starzology, we use Placidus Girls. We are hashtag Team Placidous. We're Team Placid, get a t-shirt. We are Team Placidus. If you know, you know. And the main reason for that is that you know, 85% of charts today in 2026 use Placidus Cusp. 80% 85% of astrologers use it. Not everybody does.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Not everyone does. And it takes into account the geography, which is which is why certain houses are way bigger and certain houses are way smaller. Because if you go farther away from the equator, different houses will be will will take up a greater deal of the circle of the chart. I'm doing something with my hands that you can't see. But uh equal houses, while uh easy, I guess, mathematically, they just don't satisfy that geographical element of the chart for us personally. That's why I find them less uh evocative. And also because if you put my there's always a personal reason too, right? Right. There's a terror, oh, and let's do that. There's always that thing where you put your your chart into like a certain different house uh system and you're like, oh, oh no, I do not have Venus in the 12th house. No, that will not stand. And then you go back to the other house uh system. Yeah, that's not that there's anything wrong with Venus in the 12th house. I just don't want it.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

So this is it. So when I when I first started learning um astrology, uh we lived in Johannesburg, and because you're so close to the equator, it's only like 30 degrees south, most of the houses were relatively, they weren't as uh obscure as they are. Now we're in Canada where we're at the 49th parallel. Right. So anyway, so Placidus is the main house cusp system that we are using, the house system we're using. And in general, for naval charts, secondary progressions, transit work, we are using Placidus. Yeah. But the question is, when are we changing to uh from placidus?

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah, from Placidus to zero Aries. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

And the reason you would you you would cast a chart on zero Aries is typically if you're doing a transit chart, say for an eclipse, and you want to say, okay, we've got an eclipse in, I don't know, we've got an eclipse in Aries and it's at so-and-so degrees, but you're talking to a global audience. So you want to cast that chart on zero Aries, which were then puts Aries at the ascender position, and each house is then 30 degrees, and that's your zero Aries house system.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Oh, okay, interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

So you can then clearly see where we're talking about this eclipse in this particular position, but if I cast the chart for Vancouver, it wouldn't make sense if you are in Johannesburg or Hong Kong or whatever. Or Glasgow. Or Glasgow, indeed. So that's why you would put specifically eclipse charts um to zero Aries. And not only that, when we do our um overarch, our monthly overarch, we also use zero Aries because we are talking to a global audience and you don't know where people are.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

That is very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

So us to impose, oh, Vancouver cusps, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

And a lot of astrologers that you may find on the internet um will specifically say, okay, this is cast for New York City or this is cast for Greenwich Mean Time, which is basically London. Yes. So it's a choice. Yes, it's a similar choice. And you just have to note that and be like, okay, well, if I'm on the you know West Coast, I'm gonna um subtract three hours if they're casting it for New York. So for you know, eight hours if they're doing it for Greenwich Meantime, whatever. But yeah, exactly. That's that's why I wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

That's right. So technically you would only really use zero areas when you are doing forecasting looking forward because you're trying to explain something in particular or share something that's coming up.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

But um, and talking about time zones, I mean Canada's recently, or BC in Canada, British Columbia, British Columbia in Canada has recently gone on to, we've gone on to summer time, and in November we're not going back to standard time. They've changed the law. We're gonna stay on standard time, and they're calling it Pacific Time.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Daylight, uh yeah, Pacific Daylight time. And it's gonna be always Pacific Daylight time, just Pacific time.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

They are they're calling it Pacific time. Yeah, that's the difference.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

It was previously Pacific Daylight because daylight savings.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

That's what the US are gonna be at.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Right, we're not gonna be doing daylight savings anymore. We did it right. We did it the last, yeah, in like last month or in March. In March, rather. Uh yeah, that was the last time. Yes. So loved that actually for us.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

So, well, that's a whole nother topic.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

So um from now on, uh British Columbia, not Alberta or the other provinces, we are moving a year uh one hour ahead of standard time. Yeah. Um, so this also impacts chart calculations, and you don't need to add a huge impact. Yeah, but you don't when we're talking to our global audience, which we are clearly from our from our questions that are coming in, and we can see where people are listening from. Yeah, we know it's um not in Canada. Yeah. Um, you want to be able to present a zero Aries chart so people can relate to the actual concept about what we're talking and then impose that onto where they're living in Glasgow and That on their chart. So that's why that's the reason I we go from Placidos, which we normally use, to zero areas. And that would technically be the only other um house system I would go to. I never do the others like Porphyry and Reggio Montanas and Equal. I never do that.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yeah, all of those. And you can if you want to, but of course I don't. So the only two we ever use here is Placidos, which is a usually for all native charts of forecasting. And then when we're talking about specific events coming forward or say you've got the you know the Pluto Square, Uranus coming up, that would be where we would use zero Aries.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

So is that are we talking zero Aries and then equal houses? No, it's not equal. No, it's still Placidus. It's just at zero Aries.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

No, it's zero Aries, but each house is 30 degrees. So the first house is Aries.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Oh got it. Okay, so it's not yeah, okay, so it's not equal. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Interesting. So yeah, that's that's but that is a good question because that's because uh what was his name? Doug. Yeah, so Doug from Glasgow. He was the one who realized that we do do two different house systems, and uh the question really was why I know I thought, well, there's a question to be answered.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

So someone paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Uh hopefully um that made sense, but um that's why we do it. And uh, you know, you can let us know what you guys do if you want to. Absolutely, we would love to hear that. Yeah, yeah. Okay then.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Moving on. Moving on. So next we have a question from Raj. Raj asks, and this is, I think, uh it's a bit of a cheeky question, but I actually like it. It's got a depth to it. How did the astrological stereotypes come about? We have all heard that say Taurus is stubborn or Scorpio has this association with sex. Why is that?

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not just the scientists, the planets too, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:57

Right, yeah, yeah. And yeah, Taurus is ruled by Venus and so is Libra, so there's feminine thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

So you know, I would say that this goes back to we're gonna blame the Greeks for this, and um, that all the charts that were calculated way back in the Babylonians prior to them.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

Yeah, Mesopotamia.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

All of that. Um, they just took thousands of charts and realized that people with this placement of the moon or that sign rising have this kind of trait. Yeah. And that's really where it came from. It was just serious research over the centuries.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Yeah, and and documenting those personality types and then saying, oh wow, you you guys, this this group has this very, you know, they're they're like Venus, they're you know, or they're like Ishtar or whatever. They're and they would they would map characters onto these these types that they had actually witnessed. Yes. And yeah, so it's almost like the stereotypes came about after the observation.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

It did. Yeah. But we still have it today because recently when Chiron was discovered in the 70s, yeah, there was this whole new planet. What's all the cool? All the astrologers got on board, and eventually it took like five years, and then there was a couple of Chiron books come out talking about its nature. Yeah, Barbara Han Clau and all these others, and the same with Eris, when Eris was discovered in 2006, which is probably the most recent one we we talk about. Very much so.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Yeah, Mike Brown, and and I mean they immediately initially had named Iris Xina. Zina's a warrior princess. And if you know, you know, I used to watch that show religiously as uh as one does.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

But this is it, but once they get the mythological name on the name, it's the same with the asteroids. The name tells you the nature of, and it all goes back then basically to the Greeks or maybe the Romans, I'm not quite sure. But um, it goes back to that. That to those even new planets that's being discovered now, even things like Sedna that we never use, yeah. Make make and Huamea, we we we just don't even use them, Arwen and I, yeah, but somebody's out there now doing this research, finding out the keywords for these planets and so on. And Demetri George, who wrote um asteroid goddesses, right? That is her first point, that the name of the asteroid is reflected by its myth.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

And the meaning of the myth is the meaning of the planet once the name is there, which is why it's so interesting, and it's just it's about synchronicity, really. Yes, because that naming, those astronomers aren't they're not thinking, oh, this is gonna categorize a bunch of different people, but yet Eris literally was the disruptor of the zodiac and also mythologically, and in the solar system because Eris was discovered, Pluto got kicked out of the solar system. Yes, just like her namesake. Yeah. So it's not like Mike Brown was going, hmm, how how can we make this meaningful and use the archetypes to our, you know, no, he was just like, yeah, this name is cool. I like, you know, we need to pick a mythological name, and I like it, and and I want to name it after a woman because whatever. I'm a you know pro progressive guy, a feminist, whatever from California. But it just turns out because we live in an incredibly bizarre universe where metaphors actually mean something. And yeah, I don't know why. I can't explain why.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

But this is there's been there's been research about when you name things, and this is why it's important. So say you've got some little, you've got some kids and you and you've got some of your little kids and you call on the one, oh my little cockroach. That is imposing a terrible influence to that child. Whereas if you say, Oh my little angel, yeah, you are in what's the word? Um you're imbuing. You're imbuing angel qualities to that child. Yes. And in whatever your name is, right, as the as the planet's names, that's the meaning of you of who you are. So if you're called Arwen, we all know what that means. That goes you've read the Lord of the Rings, you know. Well, yes, the Queen of the Elves. And this is you. I'm the one. Yeah, absolutely. And it's you are in not imposing. What's the word? It's imbuing, but it's not imposing in a way because but you are infusing, you're you're in jeopardy.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

You're yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

And it even goes back to, yes, I'm gonna upset some people here. It goes back to the Bible when they chained um what was it, Jacob became Israel, yeah, and it he would his name, and every time that word Israel is mentioned, it reinforces Israel. Yeah. So wherever it's said across the world, that's why even politicians today will keep saying words about people, yeah. Um, because it imbues the energy to that person. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So whatever you name your cat, your dog, and your and your children, and the me, we have what's there's the meaning of the word. Alison means truth. Arwen means queen of the elves or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

It does.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

And um, who knows what these other names are. I've got nothing. I've got nothing at my fingertips. But the point being that even if you don't know the meaning, yeah, the meaning comes with a morphogenic field of information.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

There you go. I mean it does, because we have a collective consciousness. There is this collective unconscious and collective subconscious, and the the power of groups and the power of thought, and these things not to get weird and uh you know uh supernatural, but it matters, but it does.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Yeah, um, I do, I name all my plants. I I had a I had this jeep, and I we called it skedonk, which is an Afrikaans word that means jollopy. Oh boy, and because it was a bit of a bit of a bit of a hard ride at we could have done it. And um, but we've always named in my family, we've always named the cars and they and they name ships and they should, of course they name ships, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

And it's the same thing. It is, and when they would name something endeavor or or you know the Artemis II. Yes, exactly. Titanic.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 30:19

Had to be dark, but Challenger. Yes, yeah, you have to.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Operation, you know, whatever they were called, Black Hawk Down or something.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Right, and which is, I mean, honestly, that's why the military, when they named this is getting really weird, but when they named um nuclear tests, and they did literally every single nuclear test they ever did, every nuclear bomb that's ever been exploded had a name, a code name. And mostly they would be random. So Ivy Mike was one of them, one of the larger ones in the Pacific, one of the H-bombs that actually like knocked out electricity from you know all over the place. And they did that because they didn't want to assign significance. They they chose like a random combination of names, kind of like a 1990s band name generator that you may have found on the old internet, if you know, you know, um, where you just find like a like the word for a color and a plant or you know, something like that because they didn't want them to be significant and they knew that names are significant. Yes. So when they were doing something kind of nefarious and weird, like nuclear testing, they were like, well, let's just make these uh the least significant possible. Ivy Mike, you know, whatever, a lot of really kind of bizarre names. Some of them seemed kind of portentous and not pretentious, but portentous, like, but most of them seem kind of like, oh, that's weird, not like significant at all. But if you're naming a planet or something that we're gonna be using on a constant basis, or the ship that's taking, you know, us to the moon, you want that to be meaningful.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

And still they name them after the Greeks, right? Artemis. You know what I mean? We are constantly going back to what the Greeks did and they set standards way back then. Sure, there was people before that. Yeah. But even, you know, the naming of the planets and so on, and their meanings of the myth, which Arwen's hot on. Yeah. And then we still have even today this the Artemis too. It's it tells you everything you need to know, right? It's um, it's yeah, it's very interesting. And um, yeah, even names like Diana, right? That's that's the lunar thing.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Diana was the Artemis of Roman mythology, she was the same goddess. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

And even today, I mean, Diana is is held up as a yeah, yeah. She's on a yeah, then no one's gonna shoot her down.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Yeah. So so that's why, you know, that's why some stereotypes exist. Uh, as far as others go, um, when you say, you know, oh, the Taurus is stubborn, well, yeah, it's because bulls are stubborn. The Taurus is a is the bull. Why is Scorpio associated with sex? That's and that's a little more complicated. And the person who asked this question actually is a Scorpio. So that's an interesting thing right there. Um, scorpions are uh they're they're penetrative. They're penetrative, yeah. They're poisonous, they they will strike, you know, uh don't corner them. Like they're dangerous. They're they're they're creepy and they're you know, they're kind of like they operate in the dark. So all of those things are are stereotypes about Scorpio. Why is it associated with sex? That's another question altogether. Because I don't you don't look at a scorpion and think, ooh, you know, sexy.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Yes, no, you don't. But but um they would they would uh pregnate you. But the point is that if you were a female scorpion, yeah, yes, yeah and uh even with a stinger, they'll stick it in you. Oh you'll get stuck with it. Great point, great. That came from the constellations, right? Because they were looking up at these constellations and there was these animals, what we saw, and these we're talking about the the constellations on the in the zodiac. Yeah, the ecliptic, yeah, the ecliptic, yeah, yeah, where all of these um are are coming from. They are the lions, proud, confident, courageous, yeah, but um with a thorn in their paw, they're just yeah. But it's all imagery and um metaphor. Yes, it really is. Symbolism. And even that if if we if they discover a new planet tomorrow, yeah, and who knows what they're gonna name it, and that is the thing.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

And if you're having children, consider what you're naming your children because you are imbuing the meaning of that to that child, to that person. Yeah, and it's super important. Don't call your kids cockroach, call them angel, yeah. Or whatever, but uh hero or something. Yes, yeah. Yes, yes, yeah. So I don't know if that answered the question there, but uh I mean, yeah. I think so. I think so. It's not that someone just sat down and said, Oh, let's do a book, but um yeah, even anything discovered today that will get named by the science department, um that meaning of that myth, like Eris, that's the most latest one that we have to deal with, is totally um representative of that.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

The the discoverer of that planet wanted to name her after wanted to name that planet after someone heroic who who defended the downtrodden, who had been a warrior, who who came around from being a murderer to to being a hero of the downtrodden. This is Zina, the actual television show character. But instead they were like, well, which has to be a Greek you know myth because this is the pantheon we're working with. Yes, and that's how it's Ares. And because of that difference, we entered a period of discord, arguably. Indeed. Arguably, if if that planet had been allowed to be named Xena, who knows? Things might have gone differently. Might have been differently. Might have been gone differently for Pluto.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Well, when Uranus was discovered by William Herschel, he wanted to call it Herschel. Yeah, and the letter H is part of the glyph. So there's an H in the Uranus glyph now. And and for a while it was called Herschel because he was he was the guy. Yeah, I was the His Girls. But eventually the Astronomical Association or whatever they were called, took it over and said, No, it has to be because it was the father of Saturn, therefore it has to be Uranus. And they maintained the H within the glyph of Herschel, but he didn't like it. And even today, I mean, I have a backpack by Herschel because I had a choice of Herschel or Fajel rather than I'll take Herschel because that's Uranus. They're very durable. And my daughter said, What are you talking about? I said, Yeah, Herschel, he's the guy who discovered Uranus. So all these things mean things. Yeah. I mean, and my backpack is irrelevant to the story, but the decision was made between should I get this backpack or that one? I'll take Herschel any day of the week because it's Uranus.

unknown 36:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

That's so interesting. Oh yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Yeah, so it it's partially because names mean something, and that's important, but also but also because because observation means something. Yes. Because maybe thousands of years of people observing Scorpios, you kind of get the hint that you know they really are fixated on certain topics. Yeah. Because right later in the conversation that I had with this person, yeah, asking about this question, they immediately said, Well, you know, they they they they made some sexual reference about Pisces. There you go. You know, I yeah, I said Pisces is seen as flighty, and they said something kind of crude and sexual about it, and I was like, Okay, Scorpio. Yeah. So there you have it. There you have it. It's not just the metaphor, it's the observation.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

It is, it is absolutely it does matter. And it's it is interesting that they they they they called this Artemis II. They could have called it the modern blah blah blah blah fish base, yeah, but they didn't. They still went back to the Greeks. Yeah. Whereas um Star Trek, they named that what Enterprise. That was um that's that's like the that's a futuristic name. Right, it's like the explorers, like expedition or explorer, pathfinder, or you know, yes, um, challenger or but this one that went to the moon? Yeah, Artemis. Artemis. We're we're tapping right back to the Greek.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

Because Apollo was the first successful mission to the moon. And he was a Greek, something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The sun god. There you go. Yeah, and the first missions that that that orbited the um moon and didn't actually land on the moon, those were the Gemini missions.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

So it's everywhere you look, it's everywhere you look.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

And the scientists are like, yeah, we don't like astrology, but don't you? You kind of do, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

There's a chat box called Gemini by somebody else. I mean, that's the cheta chatter chat box if ever was in the case.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

It's right at the top of my app right now. I've got Chrome up and it's like Ask Gemini right there at the top. It says Ask Gemini. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

So interesting, interesting question, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

Good. And our very last question comes from Anthony. Right. Anthony from Vancouver. Okay. Asks, what is and this is another cheeky question, but here we are. It's our final question. What is the most hated sign?

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Well, what sign is he?

SPEAKER_03 39:00

I mean Well, he's a Virgo, so you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Interesting question. Yeah. What's what would you say, Arwen?

SPEAKER_03 39:05

Well, I jokingly told him Capricorn because we have our ongoing joke about that.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

We love our Capricorns, but it is funny. We've mentioned Capricorn in the past a couple of times. And you have said famous, it doesn't matter what we say, they're not listening.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

They're not listening.

SPEAKER_03 39:20

It's um which I told him that he loved his hate. It's not hate, yeah. It's no, we don't hate anybody. Well, no, that's that's not true. We hate some people, but we don't hate any signs.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

No, we hate people who deserve it, but that's not neither here nor there. That has nothing to do with astrology.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

I do think there is a perception about some signs over others. I mean, Scorpio is the most dangerous sign, it's the most sexy sign, and people are more scared of Scorpius than anyone.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Scared, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Yes, I wouldn't say they're necessarily uh hate it. No, but um I I think I mentioned before when I was like 16 or something, and I'm a Leo, and um uh the boys didn't want to, well, they wouldn't ask me up because I was just too pushy. Right. And eventually I started saying, no, no, I'm a Pisces. And it worked. And I thought, God, grief. Um, because they they knew that Pisces women are just gentle little delicate little pettle things.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

It's like that 80s movie, Earth Girls Are Easy.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Well, there you are. I mean, it didn't last long because of claw like the Leo's just gonna go through, but I do remember doing that, saying, Oh no, I'm a I'm a Pisces, you know, don't don't chop me down because I'm a Leo, because people say, Oh, Leo, we don't want to, you just come in to take over. And I wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

I mean, when I was first studying astrology, like, you know, in my early teens, like the virgin? Come on, you don't want to, you know, even though I probably started astrologic. I mean, obviously I started studying astrology when I physically 100% was, but uh well, good to know. Oh, and thanks for that.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah, I was like, I'll let it.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

But yeah, you don't want to be oh, oh, I'm the virgin forever. Come on, you know, yeah, but it's a it's a psychological virginity. It's like, you know, it's like nuns are you know, or uh the vestal virgins when you you know you're yeah, I don't think this particularly hated sign.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

I think somehow get a bet get a bad raffle for good reason.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

Yeah, like Gemini has this, you know, this oh you're crazy or you're two-faced or you're two-faced. Well, I mean I've known some crazy Geminis.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

I think every sign's definitely got a bad side to it. For sure. But um and Virgo might just be nitpicky. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

But um, that's what he was getting at. But he works with a lot of women, and and if if the women that he works with know he's a Virgo, I think they know in a good way. I think they know that he can be trusted to like do the detailed work and they're making fun of him, but they know they can because he will still do a great job.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

No, it's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Yeah, they're not like, oh, you're so unreliable or you're a dick, or you know, exactly. You're like, oh no, you're Virgo, because you'll stay late and do everyone else's job.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

But you know, it's it's interesting. If you're looking to date some woman, you're going to want to choose a sign that is compatible with you for the for Virgo, it's going to be Taurus or Capricorn. That would be your best options. Is that if that's what he's really asking? So um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

I don't know, unless you want to challenge.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

But who does? Well, who does? I don't know. I the uh no, well. Yeah. So I don't know if we answered that one, but um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

I mean, there's really no answer to that one. But uh but yeah, it's it's similar to the the previous question about stereotypes. I mean, because stereotypes exist, because because people are well, we have it with nationalities, don't we?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Of course we do. Yes, exactly. You know, the English are not famous for their cuisine. Right.

unknown 42:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

I I'll take it. Canadians are famous for being polite. Yeah. Um, and it's a stereotype that that has been noticed and therefore put on them.

SPEAKER_03 42:49

Right, exactly. And no Canadians out there going, why does everyone think we're so polite? We're like, Yeah, I guess we are.

unknown 42:55

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

There's no question about it. There's no question. Yeah. From the outside looking in for sure. But I mean, you know, you you see it, yeah. Totally. So it's just people like to categorize people, people like to know pigeonhole you. They want to say, Well, who are you? Where are you from? How old are you? And they will pigeonhole you.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Yeah, any possible way.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

And if they don't see it visually, understand the world around you. It's not that they're trying to put you down or put you up, but we're trying to understand where we fit in with others.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

People have so much sensory overload coming in at every we've always some uh you know, grouped people and we've always assumed things about people based on their appearance or their are they wearing the team shirt. Exactly. Exactly. And now more than ever, because that we have so many people uh in the world who we're expecting, you know, our work, our remote whatever, our you know, quote unquote framework, which can be like hundreds of thousands of yeah. And we have to be able to filter them and categorize them somehow. And some of that is gonna be uh more flippant or yes, capricious than others.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

To belong, whatever the our tribe of choice is, we want to belong. Yeah, and um it it's a driver for because if you belong to the group, you have to conform, yeah, but that's how you survive, you cannot survive independently, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

And um we want to belong, but we also want to understand other people, yeah. And sometimes that means making assumptions, sometimes that means digging a little deeper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

What did that guy say? You keep keep your friends close, but your enemies closer or something.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

It's very sure.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Yeah, you need to understand people, and it really comes down to that. And that I think what astrology does um in in the broad um aspect, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Okay, so we have been answering you, our listeners' questions. We've been celebrating our 225th podcast episode of the Star Zology Astrology Podcast. And Arwen and I are thrilled to have got here. Yes. It's been it's taken a while, it really has, you know. It's um, but here we are at 225. That's quite a number to to wrangle with. Indeed. Because I know we hit the 200 around Christmas time and uh celebrated that one.

unknown 45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

So the next one we'll be celebrating will be 250, which will be later on this year, um, but sometime before Christmas. Yeah. But anyway, so I just want to thank everybody who has sent in their questions, and um, we really appreciate and we had some good ones, we had some some good ones, yeah. Yeah, and uh, we're happy to answer these questions because we like to we love astrology and we like we like to talk about it and share it with you. Yeah. So hopefully you you have benefited from what we thought about these questions. And if you've got any other opinions, you can certainly email us at starzoology at gmail.com uh with your comments, and we'll we'll get round to them in another episode. So if you have found value in this episode, please do share it with anybody who'd be interested. Make sure to like, share, and follow us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and on YouTube. We really appreciate your support.

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SPEAKER_01 46:21

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