236. Mutual Reception: 🧡 Advanced Natal Astrology

In this episode, Alison and Arwynne discuss MUTUAL RECEPTIONS in charts. This is part of advanced natal astrology.

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SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome to the Starzoology Astrology Podcast. I am your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Arwen O'Neill.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Hello, Alison. It's great to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

So nice to have you once more. So in this episode, we're going to be talking about mutual reception.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

So this is a what we would call an advanced interpretative, interpretive uh technique. Yeah. And basically it comes from to do, it's to do with sign rulerships. Yeah. Which planet rules which sign, and when they're in certain positions, they may or may not be in mutual reception. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

And this is natal astrology. This has nothing to do with forecasting or anything like that. And uh this would be something that you may or may not have in your chart.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Yes. Yes. And there must be some statistics on how many charts have it. It's probably less than 10%. However, when you see it, and of course you can get it by transit as well. The daily chart could have it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Oh, for sure, yeah. But um and by progression, obviously. Yes. We've talked about progressions in a different episode. You can go check that out if you're interested.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

So, yeah, I mean, we all know what a rulership is, or maybe we don't. Every sign is ruled by a planet. Yes. And uh, so example, for example, Leo is ruled by the sun, um, Cancer is ruled by the moon, Mercury rules both uh Virgo and Gemini. Correct. Venus rules both Taurus and Libra. Yeah. Mars rules Scorpio, but also, see, and then we have the modern and the we have some planets that rule two signs. Yes. And then we also have some signs that have two rulerships. Yes, there's a difference there, isn't that? Yeah, for sure. How many signs have two rulerships? Is it just three? Three. So it's just Scorpio, Pisces, and Aquarius. Yeah. Which is super weird, but it's just those three.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah. And then wait, Sagittarius. Oh, yeah, that was just Jupiter. Yeah. And then Dynasty has Jupiter and Neptune.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Yeah. So the thing with those rulerships is that you have ten planets in your chart, arguably. And then there's asteroids and all sorts of little other whatnots, but uh the big ten. And uh let's say you have the sun in Leo. No, that would be in its own rulership. So that would be, what do we call that? Where it's just an answer. Dignity. Dignity. There we go. So if you have the sun in Scorpio, then you'd want to look where you have Pluto and Mars. Correct. And let's say you have one of those in Leo. Yes. Then that's mutual reception.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Yes. And we do have an actual charter for that.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

We do. And we had to search high like far and low.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Fine and hard. Indeed. As we know, you use uh solar uh what is it? Astro gold. Astro Gold. Yeah. And you have tons of charts in your at your disposal, but there's literally no way to just search by mutual reception. It's not one of those things where you can search by like placement or who has what, you know, like a grand shrine or something like that. No. And I have about almost a hundred charts stored on um at astro.com.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

And can you search there? No. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

And I was just searching, you know, looking at all the different people I know and having to literally, you know, scan their placements and be like, okay, so the sun is in this, just I mean, oh, nope, nope, nope, no.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

And we both had a hard time finding examples. Because it's not just, yeah, as I reckon it's gonna be about 10% of charge. Yeah. So when you have it, you want to know about it.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

You want to know, but it's rare and it's also not easy to uh to search for.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we managed to find a few. We did. So with the so what we're saying here with our the example we were talking about. So if you've got the sun in Scorpio, and then you would say, Well, which planet rules Scorpio? And that is Pluto, and then you say, Well, where is Pluto? And if Pluto is in Leo, which is the sun sign, they are then in mutual reception.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Yeah, or if you had Mars in True.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

If you had Mars in Leo in Leo, then you've got two mutual receptions.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

So the chart we have for this is and you can click through to the blog post about it. This is Hillary Clinton. She has the sun in Scorpio and Pluto and Deer. I mean, it says a lot about it already.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

It really does, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

And so all of the planets could be in each other's uh signs, and there are multiple uh mutual reception combinations. Yeah. And if you actually go through to the blog post, I've listed them all out because some there is sometimes there's more than others, but it's just trying to make it clearer of what you're actually looking for.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

That could actually be really helpful because if you don't know what you're a beginner, yeah. Yeah, just go to the blog post and you'll be able to say, Oh, okay, I know someone who has Sagittarius, whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah. Cool. So for instance, with this one with the um the sun in Scorpio and then Mars or Pluto in Leo, that's under the Scorpio list, and that is the one for Hillary Clinton. So um, but she's the one we we happened to upon um earlier because I jug my memory because I remember this coming up previously a million years ago, because it's a dynamic placement. Yeah. So what it means is that one planet is in somebody else's house. So it's like you're doing a timeshare swap.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

I'll go and live in your house in Toronto, and you can come and live in my house in Vancouver for the month of May. And you're doing this mutual uh it's like a trades ease. It is, and it's a good thing. And you're there's no cost to either of you, and you're both welcoming each other's side.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

And you're getting a little bit of uh a glimpse of what each other's lifestyle is like and getting to live in the other's shoes for a bit. Yes. But you still bring your own personality to that equation.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah, and the benefit of mutual reception planets is that they'd normally you would look for an aspect, but with these, there wouldn't necessarily be an aspect. So this is like these two planets, they're in cahoots behind the scenes with a back channel.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Yes, I love that. Just like in the old game Clue, how there were like yes, secret. Yeah, the secret passage from the lounge to the conservatory or the kitchen to the whatever or something.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Yeah, so this is what you have. Now you can have more than one uh mutual reception pair in your choice. You could have this and sun and that, and you could have Mercury, Venus. So you don't just find one thing, oh that's it. Yeah, there could be multiple, and you need to be looking for you need to be on the lookout for these because they will clue you in that these two planets are working together.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Yes, that's super cool. And and I mean, we've clearly uh we've talked about Hillary Clinton in the past, and and actually, one episode I would I would urge everyone to listen to if you're interested in this topic is the the interview I did with uh the Greek astrologer Thomas Kaziz. Okay, because he talked about um mutual reception between charts as an inter-aspect comparison of of um couples. And he talked about Hillary and Bill Clinton because they actually she has uh the sun in Scorpio and he has the sun in Leo. Leo, but uh yeah, they have their moons or something, anyway. I can't remember the exact combination, but basically they have mutual reception, but between their two charts, yes, essentially, which gives them uh you know the sustaining power. And uh people are like, why are they still together? And then it's you find out that there's this, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

You can't see it unless you're looking.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Because it's not just an aspect. We think, oh, let's look at the aspects, and you look at the aspects, and you might say, Well, the sun does not aspect Pluto, of course it could, and if it did, it would be a square, Scorpio uh to Pluto. And actually, no, she doesn't have the square, but she could have had the square, yeah. And then that would be like honestly, a triple whammy. If everybody had double whammy, it would be, but it she is a powerful woman, let's face it. There's no question.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah, and this just cements that in a whole no way.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah, yeah. So um, so that's kind of interesting that um so I'm I'm hoping that's clear that you've got the sun is in Pluto sign and Pluto is in the sun sign. Yes. And you may you would you're looking for pairs of planets and they are mutual reception. And if you were doing the dispository, which of course you are, this goes on the top line of the dispository because they have level pegging within the chart.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Right. So would they always be then if if someone did a dispository and they have mutual reception in their chart, it would always be those two planets.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Yes. That's very cool. Yes. Yeah. So and and everything can hang off the mutual reception, or you could have this mutual reception chunk and then something else over here, a separate tree.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

So maybe one would just be that one planet, it would be the sun by itself, and you'd have like a whole bunch of things under Pluto, or they could both have their own trees below them.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yes, yes. And if I'm not mistaken, Bill Gates has this. So I would, I would, I haven't got his chart at my fingertips. Um okay, so we've just pulled up the chart for Bill Gates, and he because I remembered he had a mutual reception, and he has the exact same one as Hillary's got the sun in Scorpio, and Pluto is in Leo. So it's this generation of all those people with Pluto and Leo will have potentially have a mutual reception when the sun is in Scorpio for that year.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

So every Scorpio of that generation will have a mutual reception.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Because it has nothing to do with the actual degree.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Correct, correct, correct. And he too does not have a square, but um he does have these two exact same planets as what she does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

And when we were when we were searching our you know mutual databases for for examples, I sort of clued into the the idea that maybe outer planets were the way to look. Because I have this, I have that kind of outer planetary knowledge of when roughly you know Pluto was in different science. I just happened to have done a lot of research research on Pluto. And uh so yeah, I was thinking, okay, who do I know who has Pluto in Leo? Do I know any Scorpios? No. Okay, who do I and then you were like, ah, Hillary Clinton? I'm like, Yay. But yeah, I mean, if you know a certain generation of people, people who were born in the in the 80s, whatever, that who would have um Pluto in Scorpio.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

And maybe uh yeah, so and there was that group who had uh Saturn in Aquarius and uh Uranus in Capricorn um yeah, yeah, the late 80s, the that whole everything was in Capricorn for a while there. So if we if we consider today's chart, we've got Pluto in um Aquarius. Aquarius. So anyone who you see, but the thing is you're not going to have No, because then it would be Uranus in Scorpio. Or Saturn in Scorpio, and then not there. Yeah. And they may or may not make it round there until the until Pluto's there. But if they did, that would be interesting too.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Yeah, so it would be more like a back half of the last century thing, because then Pluto wouldn't have been in a later sign.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Yeah, so that's for the outer planets, but of course, with the inner planets, it could happen. Well, it happens virtually every year.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

For sure, it's just a little harder to find then if you're trying to find.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

So if the sun is in cancer, yeah, and then during that month the moon will be in Leo at some point, yeah, and that then would be the that's the big mutual reception.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Anyone you know who has the moon in Leo and the sun in Cancer, that's a mutual reception.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Yeah, yeah. And they are, of course, can't make an aspect because they're right next to each other. So that's a tricky.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Yeah, that's a really interesting one, actually.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

And um some of the closer planets like uh uh Mercury as well. If if Mercury is in Leo and the sun is in Virgo, that's fine. Yeah, but can um Mercury be in Leo and the Sun in Gemini? Yes, it is a stretch, but it can be done. For sure. Um, I think because Cancer's in there, and that's 30 degrees. Yeah, no, yeah, that's why it can't be done.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

So if you see what I'm saying, yeah, yeah, because Venus and Mercury can only be so far from the sun. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah. So there are some that cannot happen, but there are others that will. So if you've got say the sun is in Virgo and Mercury's in the air, that is a solid mercial reception.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

You could have you could have someone with Mercury in Taurus and Libra, uh, sorry, and uh Venus in Gemini. Yes, that's very possible.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Absolutely. Yeah, you couldn't have someone with Venus in Gemini and then Mercury in Libra because it's too far. Yeah, yeah. So you get so there are particular ones that you can't have that you'd think you would because of the because of the inner planets, those two, Mercury and Venus. Yeah. But the rest, it's it's fair game. Yeah. Fair game.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah, no, I love that you map that out on the on the blog post, though. That's really cool. Yeah. Basically, what you do is you're looking for your sun sign, yes, and then you're you've listed any any mute mutual receptions that would exist in sunlight.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Exactly, exactly. So I start up basically in Aries. If I say, well, if the sun is in Aries, is Mars in Leo, and if it is, it's mutual reception.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

You know, um, and we go from there, but not all the combinations are through because of what I was just saying there with the end of planets.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

So again, with mutual receptions, these two planets are working together. So interpretively, you need to consider that they are working together, even though there's no aspect as if it was a conjunction. Yeah. And there's no uh rhyme or reason, they're not necessarily an aspect, although they could be. And as we say with the Sun Pluto, that will that will be a square or nothing.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Whereas uh the moon and sun in Cancer and Leo, the what do you got? The aspect's not worth talking about. Well, there could be a conjuncture, let's put it that way. Yeah. But um, and then you get to the other ones as they go further out. So say you've got Mars in Sagittarius and and Jupiter's in Aries. Yeah. You know, that's a try, right? You know. So the there are only specific aspects that go with each mutual reception.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

But that's I mean, that's almost complicating it. Yes. If if you're actually just searching to see if you know anyone who has this.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah. So you need to look in your own chart. You work your way through, yeah. Find out what's going on. And of course, you can follow today's chart. There aren't any today, the day we're recording this, there aren't any, but there will be at some point as the planets keep moving.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And mutual reception, of course, if if if you listen to our uh um progress one, you can also get a progress mutual reception. Totally, yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

If you don't have any chart, don't worry, you will.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Well, yes, right. And it's honestly it's a nice thing to have because it's showing that these two planets are working together, they are welcoming each other's side.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

It's like in Survivor, they've formed a secret alliance.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

That's it. Yeah. That's it. In in the back channel, yeah, that's a good program. I've I recently got into that.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Which is I don't know what took me so long.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

That's hilarious. I recently saw the movie Send Help. This is just a super oh yay. So if you're playing at home, take a drink. We've just taken a complete, like, dang. So the movie Send Help, it's uh it's this mousy uh Send Help? Send help. Yeah, this this this mousy uh woman who works in an office and she's kind of hand-pecked and you know has a burn at home and you know, uh doesn't you know look all that glamorous and and her bosses are kind of like super you know mean to her and and uh and do you know sort of uh dismissive, but she's quite intelligent and she's obsessed with the with Survivor. And this comes out because her bosses are making fun of her and they find a uh an audition tape that she did to get on Survivor and they're making fun of her. And uh and then the uh the corporate jet crashes. I'm not telling anything that's not in the view here in this trailer, but uh, but she ends up crashing, and and she it's she and her boss are are the survivors of this plane crash, this corporate jet crashes on this island, and uh and hijinks ensue because I see now the tables are are turned. She's uh she's got all the survival skills and he has done. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

So yeah, well and super good movie. Side, honestly, this January I discovered Survivor and I didn't even know it existed. My daughter put me onto it. And I went, I know, right? Sorry, I don't watch much of the TV, and I went back and I've watched all the episodes now and I'm now up to date on episode 50. Wow. And I saw how it developed and this and that. And to start with, I couldn't make sense of what they were talking about.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, but um now you'll probably get all kinds of pop culture references that you didn't know before. Probably people talk about oh voting them off the island and making it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

And these these these back channel alliances, this is what mutual reception is all about. It's not in your face, yeah. It's not broad, you know, so you won't be saying, but why does she do that? It's because she's got this mutual reception in the in her chart. And hopefully, if it's two planets that are uh aligned, yeah, yeah, they they're gonna give the same message, but it could be disparate planets too.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah, for sure. It they very much could be.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

That are that are they struggling to to make a statement there somehow, right? Yeah. Because if you look at the sun-moon, if the sun is in cancer, huh, if the moon is in Leo, huh? Neither's strong in either. Yeah. But sometimes you get a mutual reception where one of the planets is in exaltation or something like that, and then it's got this kind of double whammy point saying that these two energies are coming together and the person will use them.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Yeah. Very much a good example with Hillary Clinton. I mean, she's clearly an incredibly powerful dominating force. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

And uh she's stuck by her man, right? You know what I mean? And uh very publicly as well. And um, if we look at Bill Gates' chart, it's it's it's the same combination as Hillary Clinton, but he has staying power.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yes, you're right. Seems unassuming. Uh he is unassuming, doesn't yet come across as super dominating, but I've I've read accounts of people who worked for him, and he is definitely uh still to be reckoned with.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Yes, yeah. The Sun and Pluto, right? Right. And even today we're paying for word every year, and he's getting my he's getting mushackles, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Yeah. Yeah. So you've got those, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

So do we have a couple of other examples of mutual receptions that we could kind of run past here?

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Yeah, that's I mean, I was really keen to find uh some celebrity examples. I couldn't find any in in just my favorite people who I've got uh stored in my thing, but I did find a couple of uh friends of the podcast. Okay, one of them being my dad.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

And what's his combination?

SPEAKER_01 17:54

So his combination is he has so yeah, my dad has sun in Aquarius and Saturn in Leo.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Right. Yeah. So they and do they have an aspect, let me ask you, because it would be what an opposition. It's an opposition, yes. Yeah. Wow. So this is what I'm calling a triple one-y, right? Yeah, because this is what we said.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Right. And he's in that that Pluto and Leo generation, you know, baby boomer or whatever, but he's got Pluto uh conjunct Saturn in Leo, and those are both opposite the sun. So that's a pretty powerful aspect already. But then just uh as a bonus, he's got uh that mutual reception.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah, so he's got the sun in Aquarius, which is not well placed, it's in it's in detriment there, right? But Saturn in Leo is bound to be pretty strong there too. Yeah. So they're both working together, and these are also, of course, indications of the father. Yeah. So I don't know what his story is with his father, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Well, uh yeah, his dad was uh a World War II veteran and uh a very sort of disciplinary force, a military man. He ended up being in real estate a Gemini, a very charming man, but also a very disciplinary father who had six children. Wow. And uh yeah, it was very uh domineering, I guess. Um I only saw him as like this benevolent grandfather who, you know, was super jolly and was like, you know, had 15 grandchildren or whatever, and six six children. And yeah, it was like the life of the party. But for my dad, it was you know, he was a disciplinary uh force and and yeah, like kind of a hero, but also kind of like uh that unquestioned authority. And my dad was of that hippie generation where he wanted to question authority. And uh, right. And uh it was yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

And the reason we're talking about his father is because when the sun and Saturn come together, there's indications of the father. Yeah, for sure. Very interesting. That is that is an interesting combination. It's funny that that son's featuring all of these examples so far.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Right, yeah, totally. Yeah, and I mean, just to spin that around, then my father has gone on to then be uh, you know, a super supportive and uh creative influence for for both you know me and also his two sons who ended up following in his footsteps and became musicians and teachers, and and now you know they have a very close relationship with among the three of them. So he's gone on to to uh to represent all of the good aspects of the biggest. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Yeah, the army of music musical teachers. Yeah, and he was here last year, wasn't he, for your birthday. So yeah, yeah, so it's a great relationship. And do you see that mutual reception in him then, would you say? Although, as we said, there is the aspect, but it's gotta be there, it's gotta be front and center. You've got to be able to see it.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Yeah, I see it in it's interesting because he he doesn't come across as like a super forceful person. Right. But he's got staying power and he's got this sort of determination and he's fixed, fixed, incredibly fixed. He's been with the uh you know his wife since uh, you know, he remarried in the the mid 80s and then they put they immediately had their their two sons and and they've you know stuck together through thick and thin. And uh and yeah, just uh a very and and they've got the same house. They've built well they never moved the garden. Yeah, no, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

The furniture doesn't move.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

They they they finally uh remade the the top of the the top floor of the of the house that used to be the the boys' room and uh the music room, and now they've got this massive uh bedroom that they you know all of all his you know, like I think they got a contractor in just to do some plumbing stuff, and he did basically everything else. He's in his 70s. He's like laying like flooring himself and sanding everything himself. Of course, because why would you hire someone?

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Stability is fixed, it really is resist change.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

And he gardens and does all the things. Yeah, he's just in, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah, so that's super interesting that we can even take that mutual reception and extract it and analyze it independently. Say, well, yeah, how did how is this showing up in the person's life? For sure. This is what we're trying to do, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Yeah, I think there's something to do with health there too, because because we we talk about Saturn being the health of the bone structure and uh and and longevity and things like that. And and you know, Saturn conjunct Pluto, I think, would definitely have something to do with longevity, and he is in incredibly good health and uh and just very uh solid, you know. Like uh yeah. So that's amazing. Yeah, that's good. That's a good thing about that. Yeah, exactly. Anyone who has uh has parents of that Pluto and Leo generation, or or if you are listening, um, yeah, that's something to look for.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Yeah. Yeah. Good one. Good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

And I did find one other chart. Okay. And this is also a friend of the podcast cat. Yeah. Okay. Yes. So if uh if anyone is a longtime listener, they will remember um with uh with fondness the The episodes that I did with Katia. They were some uh Wednesday episodes a year or so ago. And Katia has a mutual reception. She has Mercury in Taurus and Venus in Gemini.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Now that's an interesting one because they're both these two. Let's just stop a moment. These two signs are next to each other. So Mercury in Taurus and Venus in Gemini is one mutual reception that Mercury and Venus do. And the other one is the Libra Virgo one, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

So here we have Mercury in Taurus, and I don't suppose there's an aspect because they're too close together.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

And then she's got Venus in Gemini. Yeah. So it do we see this in her? She clearly has social skills and ability with languages. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

I mean, she's she I think knows um, well, at least Ukrainian and English. And she she grew up in the Ukraine. She lived in Lebanon for a bit as a child.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And she's got a fashion sense, second to the fashion sense, wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

And she she has her own business. Yeah. And she she loves to gaming costumes. And uh she actually joined me in uh a dance performance that I did last year. We didn't do uh the same performance, but she joined she joined the same uh group that uh that performance at the same evening. So she just you know came out of her shell and and was absolutely wonderful on stage, just um a gem and a radiant uh radiant performance there. And uh yeah, so she's got a lot of different interests, which is very Gemini.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Yeah. And because there's the two inner planets, you've got that, you've got that social ability to talk and then the social skills as well. Yeah. So you bring in the two together, which which we as humans we value. Yeah. Can can she has she got some conversation and has she got some some table manners? And these two are planets bring those two together. So she must be able to move through society smoothly because of that. Yeah, yeah. And um, as I say, there's no aspect, but this mutual reception will link these two planets together, which is so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

It is, and you wouldn't normally think, like you would think Mercury and Taurus is not super well placed. Yeah, and Gemini, um Venus and Gemini also not like the greatest placement of Gemini. But the fact that they've got that mutual reception, it comes together and creates this sort of effervescent, charming life kind of uh yeah, just uh buffily.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Because it does matter what the planets are when they're in mutual reception, because if you've got two harsh planets, let's say, so you've got Mars and Saturn in mutual reception, right? That must be a tough one to have because it's going to make you abrasive. Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

And yeah, or like the Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates thing. It's like you you're a super powerhouse, but yes, people aren't like saying like you give great dinner parties and you're an awesome person to chat with, like you're terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

I mean, she wore she wore those pantsuits all her life, right? You know, it's um it's not Anna Wintour here. It's but um because those are the two different planets, the sun and Pluto, whereas Katia's got this Mercury and Venus, adding to her personal charm. Yeah. Regardless of where where's her sun then? Is that in uh sun and taurus, yeah. Oh, you see, yeah. So, you know, you've got this it's a very interesting combination, and it's something that you can lean into or she could lean into, which she naturally clearly does. Right. Yeah. And this is the thing with mutual receptions, they step forward and become part of the personality of the person, even though we're thinking, but why is she like this? Yeah, yeah. Why is this being expressed? And it's because of this mutual reception, they're working together.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Another interesting thing that you could do with mutual receptions if you're not particularly well, as an art as a theory, is that if you have a partner and you one of your planets is in the is in the sign that is in the and you've got the mutual mutual reception across charts. So it's not in one chart, but the two of you have this uh energy that is um connecting to each other. Yes. So say for instance, if you have, I don't know, Mars in Taurus, and he's got say Venus in Aries or Scorpio, yes, um, you've got this hidden, it's like a sil, I imagine a silver thread going across the two. Because even though that Mars in Taurus is still going to want to connect to that Venus in Taurus.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

So I don't know if you have that. That's what I'm actually asking you.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Yeah, no, uh, with with with uh Roger and I, we have we have so many connections to our chart, we don't even need that.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Okay, well there you you heard it here first.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Yeah, yeah, though our our our charts are ridiculously connected.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Um yes, but you've got you know, you've got uh well, what about what am I saying? You've got Mars in Taurus. What does where is his Venus? That's my case.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

His Venus is in uh Virgo.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Oh, okay, so it's not making that connection, but you can get it sometimes with couples that they've got, say, she's got the moon in, you know, Leo, and he's got the sun in Cancer, and there's this understanding of you are welcome in my house, sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Well, according to Thomas Gaziz, uh Lee uh uh Bill and Hillary Clinton have that, and also uh Melania and Donald Trump have that. Really? Whereas their charts, if you just look at them on the surface, you're like, why, you know, why are they together? But then you look at at the mutual receptions and you're like, oh, okay. Yeah, then you see it immediately.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah, it's it's another like uh it's like an indicator, it's not necessarily a strong one, but you need to, you know, if you're working with couples charts, look for that too, because it's if they are hidden connections, you know, maybe you've got Mars in the air and they've got the sun in Aries, right? Right there, those two planets are going to be able to communicate in gel and say, Yes, I see you, and you're welcome. Yes, it might not be easy, but you've still got that. Do come in, you know. Oh, you're most welcome, do come in.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

It's like when Aunt Agatha comes to visit, oh, do come in and sit down and yeah, and it's a magnetic connection that makes things easier, even if there's other aspects or a lack of aspects, even that you would think this these two charts don't mesh at all. Yeah, but then there's that.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, yeah. So you know that's that's another um I don't what would you call that? Cross charts, mutual receptions, because they're not in the same chart, yeah, but you've got this connection of energies that is similar. That I mean, there's a reason you came together. Yeah. So that was something I just wanted to mention too, which clearly needs more research, somebody, and write a book about it.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

I think uh in your spare moments.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yeah, Thomas Cassives might be writing a book about it.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Oh, well, there you go. Yeah, and and you know, he can he can uh expand on that more. And I'll put a link to that particular podcast episode below.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

This is a really yeah, it's uh it was an interesting channel for sure. Yeah, yeah, because it is a it's like a hidden, it's like a little hidden uh Easter egg in the track.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Seriously, an Easter egg, is that what they call it? Like a hidden bonus. Yeah. You come to the rag and oh, there's an Easter egg, and I'll take that one.

unknown 29:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Like in movies where you know a director will like hide a little reference to like another another movie that uh we were watching uh Mr. and Mrs. Smith last night at the bar. It just they just had it on uh silently, and uh what that's I mean, that's the best way to watch that movie because it's not a great movie, but my god, are Angelina and Brad gorgeous? Like what Brentulino, yeah, pink Brentolina. We're all just watching it so distracted, just like going, wow. But but at one point they're they're trying to beat a confession out of someone and he's wearing a fight club t-shirt, and you're like, come on, like Brad Pitt is beating up the student in a movie, and he's got a Brad Pitt or a you know, a fight club t-shirt. Yeah, yeah. Another Brad Pitt movie, obviously. If anyone doesn't know that, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Okay. Yeah. So that's what that is in the chart. It's an Easter egg.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

An Easter egg of the chart. So we're looking for Easter eggs. I just love it. I love it, I love it.

unknown 30:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

And you know, if you look at, say, the transit chart, so um, I'm just going to put up the chart for today, which is way before you guys are listening to this. And ultimately, there's nothing particularly that is um in mutual reception at the moment. But as the moon moves around, it will trigger more mutual receptions than any other planet. Right. Um, there's nothing uh standing uh particularly uh strong here. So, but um as the year progresses and unfolds, you do get mutual receptions.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

And um they're in the transit chart, and one wants to pay attention to them because it's a subtle way of seeing of um understanding the chart rather than just going, oh well, she's got you know Mars and Taurus and Mars and the Seventh, and that's all you've got. You've got to go deeper than that. You've got to dig dig a bit deeper.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Okay.

unknown 31:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

And so, yeah, I've just found one more, one more example, and this is my brother, my brother Scott. And he has Mars in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

So they're in mutual reception.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah, yeah, and that's really interesting because obviously Mars in Virgo is not the best placement for Mars. It's not uh the the most martial of places.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Hang on, I've got that. And I'll tell you, it's it's a it's a pretty quiet Mars.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

It's a quiet Mars.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

It's a it's the workaholic Mars, I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Yeah, I he is a workaholic. He as I've I've mentioned uh in the past, he is a musician, he's also a music teacher, and he works in universities as a as a music professor, like a music theory professor, which sounds like a lot of hard work. Yeah, but yeah, he's uh incredibly talented, and and that Mercury and Scorpio. Again, not the most easy-going placement for Mercury.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

And uh yeah, and so are they sex Sal, that would be the only aspect they could make there. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. They but uh okay, yeah. You see, again, they're not, but they're working together. So this Mercury and Scorpio must mean that he, you know, languages and of course music is a language, right? And you use it if you're playing piano, it's Mercury when you're you're tinkling the ivories. And and the with that there must be depth there too, because it is Scorpio.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, that is the musical side of the family, is my dad's yeah, you know, they're my dad's sons and um obviously like half-brother because my friend remarried, but uh, but yeah, they uh they were playing music from like toddlerhood, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

And uh and he plays guitar, he plays And would you say he's panickety about this this Martin Virgo about?

SPEAKER_01 32:49

It's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

I um because I I as I say I have it, I do understand Martin Virgo, and I wouldn't say panicety is the word, but it really is, to be honest. Yeah, um yeah, I can I can split a good hair, yeah, I tell you.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Probably so, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

But um, you know, you just want to get the details right and get the you know, so if he's reading and writing and creating, one would assume that maybe he's even a writer, maybe he's a composer, because it is music we're talking about where he's using that Mercury to actually as a language.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Well, my dad shared his dissertation when he graduated and shared it in the group chat. And I was like, oh, this is an interesting insight into my brother. I'm gonna take a look at this. It was like reading another language. I'm like, wow. Okay, so I skimmed the much less some of our podcast episodes. So now I'm sure that he was, yeah, I'm sure he would feel the same if he listened to any of this podcast. But yeah, yeah, I was like, wow, that's he's a smart cookie, but nope, I don't understand the word of that.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

I think the thing is because there are so many, so many mutual reception combination possibilities, yeah. Obviously you can't learn them all, but you have to be able to say, Can I see this being expressed in this person? And generally they are because they are front and center. Yeah. They're not hidden in the in the back, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

So and and what we're saying, like when we talk about Chinese placements not being like super strong, the fact is that the mutual reception is making them stronger.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

The fact that you you have this not super well-placed Mercury and not super, you know, whatever Mars, but the fact that they're coming together in this back channel is like forming this like secret alliance that gives them this steely, you know, intellectual powerhouse move behind the scenes that you know he might not seem like whatever on the surface, but then it's like, oh wow, geez.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

It's very interesting when you when you start um looking into these things, and these these really are the subtleties that it's advanced natal astrology, but I took and it, you know, if you're listening, if you got this far through the podcast, make do yourself a favor and look for these because they are important. You know, I had a client earlier this month and she had a mutual reception. I had to bring it forward and explain it all to her, but um, and it's it's triggering because people know about them, it's not a mystery.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Exactly. You you can then say, Well, okay, so you've got Mars and Venus in mutual reception. Yeah. How's that playing out in your life? And you're like, oh my god, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Yeah, I mean, that's there's a one, right? Mars and Venus, because it's the you know, the the girl boy thing, right? Yeah, and um, yeah, I don't have any. It's so frustrating, and neither do you. I mean, yeah, we've lost out on the mutual reception uh gene or something. But um yeah at least you've got the sun in Leo, and I've got I've got my my Libra and uh and you know, Venus and Libra and you've got your uh planets in in rulership, which is really strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's that too, and uh yeah, but you want to be looking for it. And also, as we said, in the dispository, they will come up, they are top line uh planets, and also the progress dispository, which maybe you if you calculate that, which you would be, you need to pull them forward because that will show what's happening uh while until they move off of position. Yeah. And it's it's an interesting thing, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So Arwen, having us now spoken about the mutual reception, what what what are your views on that then?

SPEAKER_01 36:11

I mean, I really like this uh this sort of hidden it's it's like having a little hidden superpower. Yes, right? And it's in your back pocket, so yeah. You're kind of like, well, I've you know, my I mean my Mars isn't all that well placed. I don't have a mutual reception with it, but were I to find that I did, I would be like, oh yay, okay. You know, it's it's like realizing, like, okay, well, my Mars isn't well placed, but it's you know, it's trying my son, so therefore I have, you know, whatever. Yeah. But this is like it's like another way of of giving power to planets that uh that might not have uh. Or they might think, or they might, but but also they have it might underline something that's already quite clear.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Yeah, yeah. But um I I find them they are interesting and um it it's particularly if there's no aspect, then it's super interesting because you've already worked on the aspects by the time you get to retroceptions. Totally. This is not the first thing you're looking at. No, it really isn't. It's down the road, but yeah, you you're looking for it and you're saying, is it there or not? And if if it's not, move on. But if it is, go deeper.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Because it has something to say, you know? Yeah, all these patterns and that within the chart.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Yeah. And I think it's it's really interesting too that it's it's a part of the rulership bit of astrology, like that that whole sector. And that sector is an interesting artifact.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

The essential dignities.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Yeah, because that's kind of archaic and strange and interesting and weird and has to be.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

And why does the sun rule Leo?

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Right, exactly. We had that one question a long time ago in one of our um QA episodes. And at first I thought, well, who knows why you know, some have more than one and some have this and that. And but it it turns out that there's an actually incredibly good reason, and it's because it goes back to the Roman Empire and what? You know, and they thought that there was something incredibly special about the signs that were born in the summer months because the summer was like exalted. And so if you were born while the sun was in cancer or Leo, you only had the sun or the moon to rule you, and everybody else gets, you know, whatever's left, kind of thing. They're just like, what? I have no idea. So this is one of those things like that. It's it's a vestige of rulership, which is you know, this kind of bizarre, what? But uh, but yeah, it gives you this like sort of secret, cool, back channel, uh, interesting thing.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Kinda is, it kind of is, it's important. Yeah. And as I'm saying, I know, but uh most astrologers don't do it, but I always do. And um and it's like when you've learned this trick, why would you not look? You would look, you would always look. Totally. It's like other things we talk about on this podcast that you you would look. Why wouldn't you? You know. Well you would now.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Great.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Okay, so we have been talking about mutual reception in natal charts and other charts for that matter. Um, and this is really when one planet's in the other planet's sign and vice versa, and it's an interesting thing. You can have multiple pairs of mutual receptions, or you can have none, it just depends on the chart. Yeah. Yeah. So as I say, you can click through to the blog post and look at um some of the uh examples of mutual reception that can be found because there are, well, there are a lot, but there's they're not all of them are there. And uh, we have spoken about a couple of charts that have got them, and uh, yeah, that's super interesting.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

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